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Tuesday, 2 October 2012

US embassy discriminate against pregnant Nigerian women?

Piece written by Mrs. Juyinlo Toluwalase
The United States’ embassy in Nigeria seems to have perfected the art of denying well-meaning and legitimate non-immigrant Nigerian mothers visa for reasons best known to it. At the end of visa interview sessions, what one hears is, ‘’You are not qualified at this time’’! Women of child-bearing age are asked questions such as: Are you pregnant at this time? How many children do you have? Do you plan to have more children? And if the response to any of these questions is in the affirmative, then the next set of questions may be: Do you plan to have the baby in America? Can you afford to pay the medical bills? You are probably asked to show evidence and even after showing evidence you are told mostly that you do not qualify at this time or that you should reapply after having your baby.

Please note that there have been cases when female applicants did not even know they were pregnant during the interview and later discovered in the weeks to follow! Obviously, a married woman who is sexually active can become pregnant at anytime even with the use of contraceptives. Asking these kinds of questions during interviews is not a way to determine the purpose of the interview, which is to determine if the visa applicant is an intending immigrant. Finding out if an applicant is pregnant or plan to become pregnant soon, has nothing to do with the application but is an unnecessary invasion of privacy.

Moreover in Africa, questions like these are very sensitive as people like to keep such information private until the pregnancy becomes advanced. If one may ask, is the visa meant to be an agreement to celibacy in marriage? In my own case, I had used my American visa many times for holiday and even business before deciding to make use of the medical facilities available in the US to have my baby. I also decided to do this because I developed some complications during the pregnancy and decided to seek better health care. Why then would a consular officer overlook all the business transactions done and deny an applicant for the simple reason of having a baby in America?

Is it wrong for a mother to seek better medical treatment for herself anywhere in the world if she can afford it? Or, could it be that it is a crime under American laws? Let us examine the major issues in this matter because I really do not understand the thinking.

The B-1/B-2 visitors visa is for people travelling to the United States temporarily for business (B-1) or for pleasure or medical treatment (B-2). Generally, the B-2 visa is for travel that is recreational in nature, including tourism, visits to friends or relatives, medical treatment and activities of a fraternal, social or service nature often the B-1 and B-2 visas are combined and issued as one visa: the B-1/B-2 visa.

So, can we safely assume that if you are issued a visa in the B-1/B-2 category, you can use the visa for any of the purposes stated above during the duration of the visa (which is usually 2 years validity) without fear that you will be denied another visa during renewal for using it for any of the above stated purposes? Let us say, for instance, during the interview, you stated to the consular officer that you were travelling to America on holiday. If sometimes during the validity of your visa, you use same visa for business purposes or medical purposes, should you be penalised?

Using one’s visa for medical treatment can be in form of the following: Any form of surgery both medical, cosmetic surgeries , having a baby or any gynaecological related procedure, general medical check-up e.t.c
I have tried to find out several reasons why mothers are being denied visas to the US. Could it be because there is a law in place saying people cannot have their babies in America? In fact, I can say after much investigation that there is nothing like that. Everyone is allowed to go everywhere in the world for medical treatment so long as they can afford it. Nigerians still go to South Africa, the United Kingdom, and other European countries to have their babies so long as they can afford it and they do so because they believe they will get better medical care.

Could the issue be that the women that are having babies in America can cause overpopulation in the future? I still do not think that is the issue as the American government still runs the visa lottery every year in which thousands of people all over the world are granted immigrant status to live and work in America.
Denying mothers of American citizen children visa’s during renewal is indirectly denying the American citizen child entry to America because the child cannot travel unaccompanied at a minor age without either of his or her parent.

Mrs. Juyinlo Toluwalase
Sulaimon Jinad Street, Mowe, Ogun State.

Culled from Punch

164 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't blame them.

POLA said...

WOULD YOU BLAME THEM? LOADS OF "WELL MEANING NIGERIANS" GO TO USE THE MEDICAL SYSTEMS OF AMERICA AND UK WITHOUT PAYING FOR THE SERVICES. THEY EITHER SNEEK OUT OF THE HOSPITAL OR OUT OF THE COUNTRY AFTER DELIVERY. NOW THE BAD EGGS ARE RUBBING OFF THE GOOD ONES...SMPH.....

Pakistani Beauty said...

Woreva men too much long story,can't be bovad to read thru. I will wait for comments.

Anonymous said...

I don't blame them, why not have the baby in Nigeria. After all we have competent Doctors and good hospitals.

Anonymous said...

I believe its their country and they have the right to choose who enters and who doesnt.

Anonymous said...

U sef na by force to go and have a baby in America? If its not their citizenship ur truly after and u can afford medical treatment anywhere else then go elsewhere now SIMPLE! Besides its their country so they can deny whoever they want GBAM!

Anonymous said...

Was denied in 2003 because i recently got married and the interviewer said he feels i want to go have a baby in the US...... No be today , they have been discriminating against pregnant women. I dont blame them to so degree blc of the abuse cuture that we have.

Some women go and give birth in UK and USA and refuse to pay their bill (case in point those 2 recent Nigerian women in UK). They spoil it for the rest of us who have intention of paying medical bills

ALLTHATJAZZ said...

LADY PLEASE HAVE YOUR CHILD IN NIGERIA AND STOP ACTING IGNORANT,DON'T YOU JUST GET IT THAT THE AMERICANS ARE TIRED OF NIGERIAN WOMEN TRAVELLING TO USA WHEN THEY ARE READY TO DELIVER A CHILD JUST TO HAVE THE CHILD BECOME AN AMERICAN CITIZEN,PERSONALLY I BELIEVE THIS POST OF YOURS IS JUST STUPID

Jennifer Uhunmwagho-Isaacs said...

Please go and sit down. Your self righteous article makes no sense. As if yiu don't know what your fellow Nigerians motives are.

Abeg, its their country. If they don't want you to have yiur children in their country, its their right.

Anonymous said...

Well, the Americans are within their rights to refuse pregnant women visa and don't forget lady, that Nigerians have a long history of leaving bills behind when they go to give birth in America and that includes those who can 'afford' to pay!

Remi A said...

You seem naive and not well informed.? Why dont you tell your government to fix your health care system? I am a Nigerian living in the U.S. We work so hard over here and pay taxes diligently and i believe it is unfair that people who do not live here come and have their babies at the American tax payer expense. Please sit your pregnant ass down in Nigeria and have your child over there.

Anonymous said...

cant blame the embassy, how do they know those that will come back or not come. everyone says they would return and most dont. if our country was good it wouldn't have been that bad

ehis omoike said...

they don't want another Obama again!! that's what i can see from ur story.

Anonymous said...

That is good, this Nigerians should repair their medical system, imagine people who have the american passport by birth are doing shakara for us that where bron n nigeria, as if we are rubbish. They should give birth here jare. soon green passport will be everyone's dream i am sure.

Anonymous said...

The problem is not whether u can pay or not. Citizenship ur kids will get will give them access to resources and opportunities u will not contribute to. Tax payers are being protected. Madam be honest, if u cld have ur kids in d US and they don't get citizenship, will you still go? Am not saying u shdnt be upset, just be forthright.

Anonymous said...

its not only US, my friend was denied entry into UK because she was pregnant .

Anonymous said...

They don't want to risk the chances of another black president :)
Moreover we all know naijas go there cos they want American citizenship for their kids.
You guys should sit at home and repair your country like they all did. Lazy idiots always wanting to enjoy the fruit of others hardwork. Stay at home and breed!

Anonymous said...

@ Pakistani Beauty.. If you cant be bothered to read the story then why bother to comment??

Ngozi says so via my agbalumoberry.

Anonymous said...

They simply do not want your kids to be an American citizen. It is not the health services they are denying you of.

omoyibo said...

Linda, what Nigerians are forgetting is that being issued a visa is privilege & not a requirement by the issuing country...Also the main reason the Americans are denying pregnant Nigerians visa is due to the history of Nigerians giving birth on the state-side and skipping without settling their medical bills! I have family members that work in the medical field in the U.S and it well known that Nigerians were very notorious for skipping on their child-bearing medical bills and the U.S government has decided to nip it in the bud. I heard a story of a Nigerian that applied for a U.S visa to give birth, after the embassy pulled the applicants past record it showed that they had some outstanding child-birth bills in the U.S, the embassy directed them to pay the bill before they could proceed with their visa application, the applicant paid the bill ($15K) after which the embassy not only denied the visa application but also banned the applicant from entering into the U.S for 10yrs as a punishment for violating their law.

Anonymous said...

Nigerian women have abused the American System coming here to have babies and refusing to pay medical bills or look for a way to get illegal aid. Please if the bad eggs haven't messed up, the good ones will not be affected. It just shows you some Nigerians can never be honest so there you have it. Stay put and have your children in Nigeria. Shikena!

MY TURN said...

Do you blame them?i Know 2 girls still owing over $4k in medical bills they went gave birth got the American passport and took off with their babies.Shame on us really.

Olu-omo of d source said...

Well said...if you know how much Nigerians're owing foreign hospitals then you'd understand why.Alternatively they could ask them to deposit some money as a sort of collateral with the embassy here which'll be refunded to you upon your return provided you can prove you don't have any outstanding debts in the hospital.

Anonymous said...

Don't blame them at all. Too many Naija pregnant women going into labour in our hospitals and run away without paying bills. Upon return to Naija showing off they've brought baby from "labroad".
Ever so ignorant'

Anonymous said...

In as much as i want to reason with her there are many reasons i think they are justified.It is their country and they have every right to deny u a visa if need be. It is always difficult dealing with developing countries like Nigeria because we tend to abuse systems we see vulnerable.Immigratin laws are toughening up over the world because things are harder for those onside so any form of exploitation of the system will not be condoned. Cases have been reported of people using facilities and end up running away.We all know what we want so dont be begrudged if u are not given.

Anonymous said...

The law actually states that it isn't safe for pregnant women to fly at a particular stage either at early or later. Then the US is being crowded with citizens outside the home, it's in a bit to control citizenship.

Anonymous said...

Well most people that come here to have their babies always rely on medicaid to pay their bills. Moreover, you should only come in for the purpose you were granted a visa.
In the course of 9 months, you should apply for the necessary medical visa instead of using your tourist visa to come and have a baby. Well their country their decision, rules are rules.

Anonymous said...

Don't blame them, Nigerians are always travelling abroad to give birth to US citizens...it's not a secret

Anonymous said...

SO YOU TOO STAY IN YOUR COUNTRY.

Anonymous said...

Liars ! If you give birth to a child in America, the child automatically becomes an American. And Americans have a right to protect their system from abuse ,especially by Nigerians, who run away from hosiptals, cant pay their rent, some even start to request for their own citizenship because they now have a GOLDEN American child. It is so common and rampant here that one feels ashamed to even say they are Nigerian in certain places. America is not the only country in the world, go to other countries, if fun is truly what you are seeking. Mssccheew abeg move on to next story

happyhausabunny said...

Who can blame dem! Pregnant women go abroad 2 deliver deir babies bt dnt pay d bills! Afta receiving healthcare service of ova $10k u bail. Dese ppl r only lukn afta deir healthcare system! D writer shld tk several seats abeg.

happyhausabunny said...

Btw, Ayinke hosiptal dere! Lol

Anonymous said...

Do u blame them, when many of our pple would give birth and run away...the most annoying part, Some of them CAN afford to pay but the stupid "I dey smart" nija mentality no gree them...I knw a lady who her husband gave ENOUGH money for medical bills, instead of paying the hospital bill an DESIGNER BAGS and SHOES she go buy!!!!!! Linda can u imagine....

Sakara said...

I don't really blame them cause Nigerians can overdo things! Do we want to deny d fact that some people deliberately carry their pregnancies abroad to have their babies just because they want to claim Ame or Britico citizen? Is that not how they messed up Ireland with all d opportunities the Irish gave them years ago, apps make dem carry dem belle park for one side, if the westerners dd not do their countries, wl u even be able to visit talk of having babies and claiming their passports? Repair ur own country or fight to repair it and stop whinning like a premature pipkin.....lol
Honestly, we need to get our acts right and do d needful, go to some people's house, all their kids are Ame born and medical bills dem no pay, credit cards - they collect, spend and never pay back smh for some people

Anonymous said...

This is what the American embassy does all the time 2 Nigerians! The interview doesn't even last 1minute! Dey jst dish u wateva comes 2 dia mind! Personally I now believe they deny visas on purpose, for absolutely no reason! They jst tell u "u r not eligible at dis time, pls try again"! Yet dey kip the embassy sites open for pple to apply! And the application fee is non-refundable!! U guys cannot imagine howmuch the American embassy makes from nigerians! Out of over hundreds of pple dey interview evryday, dey may jst issue visas to less Dan 10 persons per day! Na dia way! I jst wish dat nigerians can realise dat America is jst over rated! All u see on tv r fantasies dat r acted out! That's not d real life in the USA!!! Think am naw,Howmany of ur relatives living in d US can afford d kind of "atleast comfortable" life u live in naija, witout bank loans n mortgage o? Howmany of Dem have cars n houses dey paid cash for? Howmany of Dem can afford 2 pay wat we pay on jst fone bills etc?!! Mehnn, naija may be bad o,buh Naija will always be a better living atmosphere, for business etc n odawise! My pple, Invest in naija, leav yankee, very soon dey go find us come! I don talk ma own crap o! «~DORA

Anonymous said...

"Denying mothers of American citizen children visa’s during renewal is indirectly denying the American citizen child entry to America because the child cannot travel unaccompanied at a minor age without either of his or her parent." lmao. Madam Juyinlo sit your yansh in your country and develop your own country, you thought that by sneaking into the country to have children makes you a citizen. If you want your American citizen children to be in America so badly, return them to the embassy and they will find people to adopt them in America. Turning privilege to right. Stupid woman

Xtella said...

How one-sided. You have this long turanchi (story) and conveniently ignored the fact that most women go to america so their children will have citizenship. Every country is trying to control immigration and it would be foolish of the embassy not to address the fact people get this visas to have babies. And your description of the visa categories are so bogus...
Abeg drink water and blame your county for not providing "adequate services for medical care". Lol

Warri Girl said...

Pakistani Beauty, you want to use sense shey, common go and read and drop your own opinion. For me, I think most Nigerians have miss used their opportunity just like Pola said that's why this is happening now.

Anonymous said...

When I got my previous US visa, I wasnt pregnant at the time and didnt even intend to go have my baby in the US. Used the visa to go on holiday. Got pregnant shortly after and developed complications, pre eclampsia to be precise. Then I decided to go have my baby in the US to save my life and my babys. Thank God I had a healthy baby and we completed all payments. I decided to go renew my visa early this year and I was refused!!
It makes me wonder what my crime is.. the officer kept asking questions surrounding the pregnancy and that when I went for the interview they asked if I was going to the US for medical purpose and I said no and bla bla bla... I'm yet to understand it myself

Anonymous said...

Hi.
Just got back from the states and had the opportunity to ask at the point of entry if it was illegal to give birth in their country. The answer I got was "No"', but he went up to stress that most people don't pay their medical bills. Period.
It's no new that people don't pay, hence a huge outstanding bill running into billions of $. No be small thing.

Anonymous said...

B4 nko, don't u kno dat once u're born in d States u bcome a citizen, unlyk places lyk UK...dey don't want all big men pikins 2 turn 2 Americans jor.

Anonymous said...

Pakistan beauty. Lazy bones. If it's KimYe, sex or fashion you will read right through. LOL!

Anonymous said...

They are really harsh. Like my cousin got sent back from America by immigration officials. She arrived the airport and it was obvious she was pregnant. She was detained and they even checked to see if she declared during her application process that she was pregnant. When it was discovered that she did not. Her visa was cancelled and she was deported and sent back to naija same day...quite harsh

Anonymous said...

There is no discrimination. i cannot wait for the USA to adopt the IK culture of not giving the children Visa. I don tire of these leaders mentality. Chop all the money that i can chop because by the way, my children is not a citizen of this country.

I just feel bad for the innocent people making a decent living that want a better future for their kids

Remi. A said...

And if you are not happy with their policies then dont come to America. Take it or leave it. You are not doing them a favor by come to their country. What's with the complain? Its not as if America give u bele come refuse to the child. The country should not be responsible for your pregnancy in any form!

funmi said...

thats because you disgraceful bunch will go there have kids, cost them over 10k dollars in bills then run away. some women, even collect money from their husbands to pay bills but spend on themselves. naijas have disgraced themselves in ireland, even britain had to change their laws because of us. but that still doesnt deter us from going to every country under the earth, some even go to alaska.......who the hell goes to alaska. a beg, i cant type again ,am so disgusted thatstupid toluwalashe is even complaining. am sure she is also a benefit fraudster.

Anonymous said...

me am tired of all this a nigerian goat deported from saudi/a nigerian cow deported frm iraq stories...nw visa denial for uk....abeg if dem no want una,sitdon for we country na,after all dangote,adenuga n co make dem millions for here...ah,i tire o....
Miss anonymous101

ogie omo-irefo said...

Anytime something does not go the way we want it, we are quick to scream discrimination or racism. The USA is not under any obligation to grant any body an entry visa whether or not they qualify for it. This is their country and so they are free to use their own discretion. These countries have a 'way of life' that they would like to protect and would not want foreigners to put pressure on their system. In other news, what does the term 'WELL MEANING NIGERIANS' mean anyway?

Anonymous said...

@pakistani beauty you are just a dummy. Its people like you that buy certificate. Pretending to write in slangs while deep down your head is truly empty. Nonsense.

Amarachukwu said...

its their country. they can choose who they want to visit there. its not a right but a privilege. too much CNN is now making people think they have same rights as Americans. Meanwhile when you hear the healthcare debates going on in the US, its because of freeloaders who overburden the system. Have your baby in Nigeria and stop complaining.

Anonymous said...

Mrs JT, no vex ehn. Its our ppl who hv brought dis on us. We go there, give birth n run away without settling bills. Pele

Anonymous said...

Well, I do not blame them, /no be their fault. Mtscewwwww.

Anonymous said...

Rubbish! This people are so full of themselves... Not everyone does that... and people have reasons for what they do... what is the death rate in pregnant women in Nigeria? not that women don't die in the western world but they have the facilities.too me it's big time rubbish and Nigerian who go to american pay for child birth but not in the united kingdom as you can get away with that ....

Anonymous said...

You are such an idiot. I am sure you failed in school.

Ziba said...

@Pola, you are so right. But notwithstanding, her questions are valid - Is it wrong for a mother to seek better medical treatment for herself anywhere in the world if she can afford it? Or, could it be that it is a crime under American laws?

Anonymous said...

@pakistani beauty it is people like you that is the problem with Nigeria today. Uneducated myopic, dumb fool. That is all you could say to this beautiful piece written by a woman like you. Ezi bida

Anonymous said...

The difference, my dear, is that the number of migrants expected into the US yearly, from the Visa lottery has been pre-determined and designated (c. 5,000). It is an amount the US government has determined it can sustain.

What you have to bear in mind, is that the applications for Visas of potential-mothers is not limited in the same way, and is an extra stream of migrants.

And as my friend has said above, what you really need to consider is the fact that there are a significant amount of Nigerians that go abroad to give birth and then evade paying the fees associated with this.

If one is purely interested in healthcare, (as opposed to their child's passport), they wouldn't be so upset America is clamping down. The best healthcare facilities are in Sweden.

The fact is, it's a huge burden to their citizens and if/when Nigeria gets to the stage America is at now, we'd have to do the same.

You won't believe how much the evaders cost taxpayers in these countries, till you read this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2195695/Revealed-10-common-nationalities-foreign-born-mothers-gave-birth-NHS-hospitals-2011.html

tyna said...

Show them necessary documents and you will be granted visa.Nobody is discriminating anyone.

Anonymous said...

Good! wear hijab next time so you don't get detected

Anonymous said...

Nigerians abuse things. Delivering Nigerian babies on US soil to get d child US citizenship has become so common among women who can afford it. They say it is a way to assure ur child's future in dis rotten country. So US is simply checking our excesses. CHUNGCHI

Anonymous said...

Zinnia:
It means they don't want pregnant women giving birth in their country and their babies becoming Us citizens by birth.

Anonymous said...

Overpopulation or whatever one of the reasons she stated has nothing to do with it. In Texas most especially naija women come, give birth and dont pay and that is the problem. It's not free to give birth or see a doctor in naija so why would anyone assume its free in the U.S. The tax payers etc end up paying these bils indirectly so obviously no one wants to have to deal with that. Doctors, nurses, anesthesiologists (for epidural) are people too and have families, so what makes anyone think they want to come and work for free. I completely understand folks who want their children to be born U.S citizens (after all who no want better opportunity for their pikin) come here, pay their bills and go and if you notice if you do that and hang on to your documentation, receipts etc and you go apply for a visa EVEN if you are pregnant the next time they don't usually turn you away ( I know this because I have several relatives that go about this the right way). Some people would say they can't afford the bills etc but not paying which equates to theft is not right either so naturally the U.S is tired of it and now unfortunately the responsible people that want to come with the intention of paying their bills will be prejudged (especially if it's your first time) and lumped in with the irresponsible ones that think it's ok to freeload your way through life.

Anonymous said...

The state programs (medicaid) end up paying the bills of the majority of these Nigerian women and they can't afford to do that anymore. All they are trying to do is prevent this from happening by asking these questions. I don't see the discrimination. All you have to do is provide proof you can pay your bills and you will get your visa.

Anonymous said...

The health care system in Nigeria is so pathetic!!! The good hospitals are over priced and still crappy. What will it cost one to travel abroad for better treatment but the evil dt pple do lay bad foundation for oda innocent pple. I dnt blame America ooo, nahhhhh. God dey

Oluchi said...

buh seriously,u cant blame them now...these are valid questions with valid concerns.its unfortunate that the pregnant ones traveling to give birth for American citizenship have spoilt show for the well meaning travelers.

they only made the Americans all the wiser.after all would u give birth in any Nigerian hospital n not pay the bills?but people did it simply cos dey cud get away with n now its hard to tell who'll pay their bills from who won't(even with the accumulated account balance from family and friends put together).

Anonymous said...

Nigerians do not pay there medical bills! that is why they are denied!!!! SIMPLE!!!

Anonymous said...

why dont you develop nigeria so that every tom dick and harry would want to come give birth there so their kids would become citizens
this article is senseless n blinded,lots of naija women go there and refuse to pay after and we re all aware of what our naija pple do abroad so yes,the USA has every right to deny them cos they re learning

Anonymous said...

@pakistani beauty,too much long story,hnh! How did u excel in school?? Ok just remenbered u did igbo.isorai.

12345 said...

DUH, because bloody 'blue passport' thirsty nigerians, run there just for the passport....they dont want us again, i support them jor, dont give pregnant NIGERIAN women visa

Anonymous said...

Most women go and deliver their baby n then run away from d country without paying their bills. So u wouldn't blame them.
And lets face d fact, its not bcos u want better health care, its just bcos u want ur children TO become US citizens. Some of those interviewers a racist, dey dont want such things. Apart from all these, if God wants u TO get d Visa u'll get it. Mine is a good exarmple. I was already pregnant wen i went for my interview, pple saíd dey wud never give me, but dey eventually did.

Zsa Zsa said...

Very one sided view. What about well meaning Nigerians that go to have their babies and all of a sudden cant foot the bill. I know of at least 3 different women guilty of this. They take advantage of the system all in the name off having an American citizen for a child. The writer should be more objective and consider the damage it is causing the health care system in the US.

Hrm paul Ojeih said...

Haba ogbeni linda why are u being biased over this issue Nigerians esp our pregnant citizens deserve every bit of denial and humiliation dey are getting we av abused the health benefit of the Americans ,europeans and the united kingdom Linda were you not the one that carried the story of a lady that flew to the u.k to have her babies 4 babies as at that her delivery cost the uk almosr 20,000 pounds 7 medicals taffs were brought in for the birth when she finished she absconded. the consulate is saying go and born in your country when your done come back we will give you visa pure and simple Nigerians we are deceitful we look for means of invading the system if e pain them too much we have good hospitals in fact the Lagos state government has equipped all general hospital to handle antenatal,delivery,and post natal so what are we crumbling about na by force say you go born for u.s

Anonymous said...

Hmmm...I think reading is essential o because this your spelling is very, very poor!

Anonymous said...

I was turned back from the UK for the same reason and my remaining visa and that of my children cancelled. It so annoying and embarassing. And funny enough I am still pregnant to deliver in November when their so called Doctor said I was due already.

Anonymous said...

I don't blame the US embassy for refusing Visa to pregnant women. While it is true more women are denied Visa, I've also come across women who have been granted VISA after fully disclosing their intention of coming to deliver their babies.

Many Nigerians take advantage of the government healthcare services intended for the less priviledged Americans. (Paid for with Tax-payer funds!) And leave without paying a dime. Which is rather unfair.

Yes, I'm using said government service, but I'm out of a Job at the moment and have paid my dues in taxes and qualify for such aid.

So, if they can proove medical care will be paid for (Or better yet, pay in advance) they might dole out more Visa's!

Agbaya said...

with all the money you claim to have in nigeria, u still come and claim WIC in america, and use the money buy designer wears, then go back embassy go lie say i paid my bill.

Anonymous said...

This writer must understand that a country reserved the final right to determine who comes into its territory irrespective of whether you are rich, poor, black or white etc.

You must also understand that unlike Nigeria (where we are used to doing things without data and analysis), other countries such as US evaluate every single activities within its businesses and analysis have shown that the major reason why a pregnant Nigerian woman would want to go to the US to give birth is more of a citizenship status for the child and not better health system has the writer have claimed. Meaning we ourselves in this age and time have succummed to modern day slavery!(my child must be an american citizen syndrome!). Also, a case in reference is that of Saudi Arabian Govt denying our women entry into the Holy Land simply because analysis have shown that some few individuals have been found to display disgraceful behaviour in the past. It is rather unfortunate that the activities and intents of few citizens have rubbed off the shine of our great country Nigeria in the face of the whole world and some of us are paying dearly for it.
However, If u care to know, there are very good hospitals in Nigeria where you can get good health care for child delivery at a cost lower than the total cost of your air ticket,upkeep & hospital bill to have a delivery in US. So the bottom line is most Nigerian women seek to deliver in the US for citizenship status for their child. If US through its embassy workers therefore decides otherwise, no one should cry fowl. Furthermore,there are several cases of individuals that have refused to pay for medical services when they do get one in the US. Endeavour to contact relevant agencies in US for records, you will be amazed!
Finally, i want to add to this by giving you my first hand experience. My wife got an admission to study in the US(LLM), we applied for a student visa and at the interview session, the visa consular simply asked if she was pregnant (2 months then) which we answered in the affirmative, surprisingly, the gentleman in his own words:"congrats in advance,i hope you are aware that your student insurance would cover for your health care before and after child birth should you decide to have your child in the US(although my wife eventually had our child 7months into her 8month study period in US, but the truth is we cared less,bcos d Dangotes,Adenugas,Utomis and other successful Nigerians were born in Nigeria). Please, ensure you pay necessary fees and get issued with appropriate reciepts to help in your future visa applications.Please pick up your visa in two days because i can see seession has already commenced". Alas the visa was issued!!. So visa issuance by consulars is descretionary upon available facts and i beg to disagree thats it is descriminatory.
Finally, without prejudice to the above,our government at all level must do everything so as to ensure that Nigeria regains its reputation amongst committee of Nations.

Anonymous said...

well, when most nigerian women go abroad to give birth, they use the medical services of the hospitals and run away, leaving their children behind, automatically making them citizens of that country for free, but i think if u present enough evidence that you are capable of paying and providing for your child, they'll let u in

zoomzoomzoom said...

You make so much sense Anonymous 3:29.I couldn't have said it better.

ChiChiLuv said...

You know Naija now, we go do someting sotayyyyyyyyyy we just scatter the whole ting! When email came to Naija, wetin happen we used it to scam so many people that now the word "yahoo" is associated with fraud! Trust Naija!

I say about damn time they started looking closely at this situation. Yes, there are a few who do go abroad, have their babies and pay their hospital bills BUT there are far too many who run off and leave the hospital holding the bag. It is a burden on the system for those of us who live here and have to pay the taxes that provide these services. AND also, the people with whom the women lived with during the interim time of their pregnancies get harassed by the doctor, hospital and bill collectors trying to collect their money. Wants that? Soon, they will establish a law that say if you have someone stay with you and the person runs out on a bill, you will have to pay since your address is on the records. Mark my words, it will happen and once it does, people will be less likely to open their doors to visiting pregnant friends/relatives.

The US embassy has every right to do what they are doing, it is their country, abi? Ah, if you no like am dem stay in your country and have your child there! See me see wahala, that's like if someone were to come and knock on my gate and I say "who are you coming to see here and why" and the visitor now gets his or her panties in a bunch about the questions. What nonsense! If you don't want to answer the questions then turn around, go home and use your local hospital, finito.

Some of these women risk their lives, I had a cousin who was lucky enough to not show because she is very tall and a little heavy, she flew in one week and had the baby the next week! What if she had gone into labor on the plane and suffered complications? They don't think of anyone but themselves.

Can we blame them when we have such useless leadership past and present? Our first lady had to leave the country to get procedures done (cosmetics or otherwise) but it never dawned on her illiterate mind to speak to her husband about infusing the medical community with much needed funds instead of the film industry. As far as they are concerned, they can go out of the country to get their medical needs met so screw the other many billions of Nigerians who can't afford to do the same thing.

Lola A said...

yeye people...dey will soon come and beg for visa to come to out country..just watch and see!
www.ommolola.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

i'm actually pissed of that the word "discrimination" is being tossed around carelessly. it's not by force to give birth to american citizen...sit your asses in Nigeria and stop exploiting tax payers funds

Anonymous said...

Mrs Toluwalase,
This is the problem from a Nigerian perspective. The US constitution says that when you are born on US soil, you automatically become a citizen. You become entitled to all rights of a citizen and you need not contribute much to society to benefit as a citizen. Most Nigerians who are pregnant owe no allegiance to the US. They come for the health care and feel entitled to benefits. They do not pay thier bills when they are treated in a civilized manner. I know of someone who used her $15k her husband gave her to pay for child birth to buy a car, simply because the hospital said she would be sent a bill. When she went to renew her visa they denied her straight up becos of the unpaid bill. She cried and wailed foul. Then her hubby sent another round of money to pay off the bill. Bottomline is most Nigerians have shown our Nigerian attitude and taken the hosts for granted. Ask yourself why folks from East Africa, South Africa and other West African countries dont get the same treatment? It is our BAD behavior. Let us stop passing blame and tackle our monster head on. we are an uncouth, illbehaved, deceitful people. There are good ones among us but the bad ones are the only ones with access because by and large, in Nigeria being bad is what gets you money to travel abroad.

zoomzoomzoom said...

America is one of the most blessed countries in the world.Things work in the USA because people pay their taxes.When some Nigerian ladies come here to have their babies, they don't pay medical bills, which burdens the American government fiscally.
People prefer coming to America to have their 'American' babies,as their babies are automatically citizens when they are born in the US.Not so in UK,or some other countries of the world.
The American government can decide to give or turn down people's visa application.Every country has the right to do what it wants.
So, Mrs Juyinlo Toluwalase,the American government can do as it wishes, it has given visas to pregnant women in the past, it still does.A friend came here from Nigeria to have her baby in New York about 2months ago.Wherever you have your baby, I wish you a safe delivery.

Anonymous said...

It is high time abeg....a lot of Nigerians that see naija women give birth in the USA do not know what they do.some do pay but a lot. Come here to take advantage of the health system.they go to hospital wen they are in labour cos itz an emergency,they can't deny anybody in emergency here.after giving birth,they give fake address and the hospital keeps sending bills to a wrong address,at the end,it is those working their asses off that they will tax to pay.there are a lot of anchor babies cos u know once u give birth here u are automatically an American citizen,meanwhile someone that came in with a J1 visa intending to work will wait for donkey years to get a green card let alone passport.i think Americans should be the one to change their policies.not only Nigerians are guilty but also the South Americans,those people give birth like birds lay eggs

Frank No Nonsense said...

You have a very good point, my friend! I blame it all on corrupt Nigerian government. Nigeria is teaming with thieves who are committed to ensuring that the country never embark on any plan pointed toward positive changes.
I really don't blame America for applying any policies to Nigerians, because Nigerians - whether rich or poor - are corrupt to their bones. In fact, the rich are incredibly selfish and ever willing to commit financial comes. So, writer, sit your over-ambitious ass of yours back home and leave people in the country the fuck alone!!

Anonymous said...

Zinnia:
I'm so thrilled and happy that majority are not supporting the writer's article.

Nigerians can abused privileges! It's like it is ingrained in our DNA.

It would be nice and great if the embassies can start denying all these public office holders visa. Maybe it will dawn on them that they need to put their house in order.

Anonymous said...

Dunce. Look at ur name self Pakistani beauty. U must clean toilets as a job. Go back to ur job. Idiot

Frank No Nonsense said...

You have a very good point, my friend! I blame it all on corrupt Nigerian government. Nigeria is teaming with thieves who are committed to ensuring that the country never embark on any plan pointed toward positive changes.
I really don't blame America for applying stringent policies to Nigerians, because Nigerians - whether rich or poor - are corrupt to their bones. In fact, the rich are incredibly selfish and ever willing to commit financial crimes. So, writer, sit that over-ambitious ass of yours back home and leave people in their country the f**k alone!!

Anonymous said...

Zinnia:
USA has never tripped me sha; I think the country is just over hyped.

The funny thing is some Nigerians who were born and bred in the US are relocating to Nigeria while the ones here want to travel there to have children who will be US citizens; isn't that an irony?

Whether you want your children to be US citizens or not, what should matter the most is the fulfilment of their God given destinies on Earth.

Felix said...

You're the most pathetic imbecile on this thread! I'm not surprised that you have your mind made up to not read it. No wonder why you didn't hesitate to flaunt your illiteracy here.

My advice to you is to keep your ignorance to yourself and desist from ruining people's posts. Don't come up here next time to act a fool.

Anonymous said...

Atleast that way u can simulate going to the airport as it's on the way there lmbao!

Anonymous said...

I am a Nigerian living in Canada, I pay almost 25 percent of my annual income as tax, for everything I buy, I pay 13 percent tax, I am made to pay all these despite working in the worst weather conditions you can ever imagine, but I pay cus I get free medicals, safe n secure environment, good social welfare, fantastic education for my kids for free etc....Why do we Nigerians want to reap where we didn't sow? Is it fair for you to come here, have your child, Not pay your medicals, get citizenship for your child, send your child here for free medicals if he/she gets sick, send her for free / subsided education.....when you the parents have not contributed a dime to this economy.
Get it into your thick skulls, u can't eat your cake n have, if you want to enjoy the Nigerian owambes, the all year round warm weather, your corrupt ways of life,.....stay there and enjoy the crappy medicals, decayed education system, the book harems, the crazy standard of living...
To the person that says people living in the North America can't afford to pay cash for cars, well yes we don't, cus we spend our own money on meaningful things, we invest in assets not liabilities....we don't have twisted priorities, we invest in life insurance for our children so their standard of living does not change in event of a tragedy, we get educational fund for them to get the best of the best, we invest in our retirement so that after working hard for so long we can enjoy our senior years...we work too hard for our money....there's no Ghana must go bags / brown envelopes here.....

Anonymous said...

zoomzoomzoom..thanks! anonymous 3.29

Anonymous said...

U won't kill pesin with 'accumulated account...'.

Nk said...

Sorry Linda, I don't blame them and if I were given the opportunity, I would do worst. It's Nigerians that bring misfortune to well meaning Nigerians (as u put it). I've had someone I considered a friend (an old schoolmate) not only use the American system, but also use me because I was trying to help her. Many Nigerians that come here to have kids cannot afford it, and they will run up a very high bill say $25000 and leave without paying a dime, then they will go to Nigeria to brag as people that had a baby in America. People need to start living within their means and stop the extortion, and pretensious lifestyle. I am in the medical field in this country, and its so embarrassing when u see what these people do here, so yes, I will do worst given the opportunity!

Anonymous said...

Hmmm,,I was actually nodding ma head while readin ur post nt until u wrote...................
Well,like u said: I don talk ma own crap o.




Krayzie Klay.

Anonymous said...

U cant tell Americans who to let into their country... Also, u need to find out how much hospital bills Nigerians run up in the name of delivery, and then run back here (who pays for it? the Government)...

the cost of allowing Nigerian women who have the wherewithal to pay the bills has been outweighed by the cost of those that dont...

trust nigerians to always mess up privileges extended to them... this is not the first country to change its immigration practices cos of nigerians... are we cursed??? is GEJ to be blamed for this too???

as myself said...

I beg to defer I just got my visa.I applied for medical care and I got it.a lot of women in he embassy that day also pregnant got it.when I was asked I stated my reason was to give birth and I gave supporting proof of payment and a doctors acceptance to. Deliver my baby.so please I don't knw where u get your facts from.maybe you made a mistake and you aren't aware.please dnt use your vex to spoil other pples opportunity.

Anonymous said...

if they start denying them, maybe people will actually start fixing our health care system, if they don't have a right to go to another country maybe we'll fix our own country.

Anonymous said...

My dear,you obviously have not visited a hospital on the account of child delivery of late or you apparently haven't heard accounts from some mothers. Pls anybody that has the means should traveL and have their babies.

Anonymous said...

See ur mouth like sit ur ass down in Nigeria. Every well meaning mother wants the best for her born and even her unborn child, if giving birth and paying the hospital bills means that to them I see no reason why they shldnt be given the oppurtunity to do that and youself why don't aint u here in naija if be better person

Anonymous said...

what the embassy should do is to ensure you deposit a substantial amount with the hospital who will now send a confirmation to the embassy in nigeria before
they are issued anything

Anonymous said...

I see ur point and it is totally valid. Nigerians only want to abuse the system. If u pay tax then u cn gt upset abt d situation but if u dont pls dont try to reap where you did not sow, biko!

Anonymous said...

Your sister was dubious! Stop blaming the immigration system for doing the right thing. Shikena!

Anonymous said...

WOW. a lot of people are just yarning without knowing the facts. Welfare doesn't pay for unpaid medical bills people. it doesn't work that way. even poor people here in the US who are citizens and on welfare don't get their entire bills paid for. And someone on a B visa or even a tourist visa isn't eligible for WIC. Don't confuse America with the UK which has a public health care system. Why is everyone so quick to abuse nigerian women or claim that naija people are spoiling the american health system? the american health system isn't impacted by foreigners coming to the US to give birth. that's a mere drop in the bucket. America has MUCH bigger issues than pregnant nigerian women. So what if you know a story of "someone who did something at such and such a time" or you have a "cousin who tried something similar" ....puh lease. everybody claims to know somebody who knows somebody who gamed the system but no one knows the whole story.

Anonymous said...

Well I don't know about them discriminating, I am currently in the US to have my baby and when I applied for my visa I told them my purpose for travel was going to have my baby (I was already showing). The consular officer asked me for proof of finances, correspondence with the hospital and doctor....etc. Once I showed it all he said to make sure I prepay before I leave Nigeria otherwise I may be denied entry....

So if you do things the proper way, more often than not you shouldn't have any problems...

Str8FrmDaHips said...

Not the 4th biggest spenders on settling their medical bills then????..u want the best u must demand for the best..not over burden another country with ur baggage!!

Anwuli Oputa said...

In the United States it is their full right to give visas to whom they deem fit or not. It is so sad that some Nigerians are abusing the system. That is why they apply their strict and stringent rules.

Anonymous said...

Oh so that's why they are taking so much taxe off my check!!!. Am a hard working Nigerian living in US and I will appreaciate it if y'all bitches can sit ur black ass over there and give birth in peace because am tired of paying too much taxes because of y'all...Smh

Anonymous said...

U nko? Elenu razor! U dey @ home? Shiooor

Anonymous said...

Haba. This Mrs. Juyinlo Toluwalase sef. Seriously if iwas the US embassy i no go give am Visa. haba. If she has complications, she no fit go India or UK? must it be in the US. Its a pity that people act so self righteous. born ya pikin here. If you want good hospitals, St Ives, Havannah, Georges Medical, Udeco, Gold Cross, Reddigton, Lagoon, LUTH all full and better doctor dey

Anonymous said...

Why bother this this story? The Americans are not as foolish as the British who allow every Tom, Dick and Harry's pregnant women to deliver in their country FREE-OF-CHARGE.

UK Law will soon implement changes to stop e.g., a mother of five babies to deliver without paying a pound. One Nigerian woman abused UK free health system and now everybody will pay for it as long as they are not British or EU.

Anonymous said...

at the end of the day its their country, they can decide who visits pregnant or not.

I have aq friend who recently had a baby there. She has had a couple of miscarriages in complications in previous pregnancy and never made it to full term.

She went to America to have her baby, had complications ans racked up a bill of $40k for drugs and medical bills.. This babe and her husband have less than $10k in both their names.

How can they pay??

Then you complain if US embassy refuses to allow child birth age ladies into their counytry to use medical and get citizenship...

I DONT BLAME THEM

Anonymous said...

Mrs Juyinlo, email pregnancyconciergeusa@gmail.com

Anwuli Oputa said...

The United States has the full right to whom they deem fit or not. It is so sad that some Nigerians misuse the system,and that is why the U.S. Embassy apply strict and stringent rules.

Anonymous said...

Power is changing hands
D economies of these so called 'first world' countries is shaky, Australasia is where d power shift is.
May God cleasnse Nigeria (a land overflowing with all natural and human resources ) of all forms of demonic & leecherous leaderships so that we can attain our right full place inthe world economy

Anonymous said...

My wife and I were asked the same question ie if we were going to have a baby in America when we went to renew our visas in 2010 in dublin. They even asked us if we had a child when our visas were running before they expired which we did but not in America... Sad . Naija is generally a fucked up country and I say this authoritatively based on evidence

Anonymous said...

Remi u are a fool. I live and work as a doctor in New York and I feel the woman's pain... You should go back and fix Nigeria after all why do u have a freaking Nigerian name! We all know why we are here subtly and glaringly, lets call a spade a spade

Anonymous said...

I am going for interview at d American embassy come november. I have started seeing myself in america in my dreams already. I have a daughter who is 2 and I pray by all means †o have my next baby there.infact, that's my primary reason for wanting to travel. May my star shine on мe and may they give us Visa.incredible Bells. i

Anonymous said...

First of all I'm pretty sure the visa category is clearly stated on the visa as whether it is B1 or whether it is B2. I don't think it's B1 / B2 they put there even though that's the general category you apply under, so if you say you're going there for vacation purposes and you go there to do business "during your stay" then YES you are doing something wrong. People should stop looking for loopholes in other country's laws just because they can be broken in our own country. It costs about 10000 dollars to have a baby in America if you don't have health insurance there. Once you do that, your child is an American citizen. It's simple really and I'm sure if you ask them they won't hesitate to tell you the reason (God knows the American embassy personnel in Nigeria don't have to worry about being politically correct or tolerant where we are concerned because they can get away with anything). It's either they want to cut down on the number of Nigerians who are automatically becoming citizens or they are trying to cut down on Nigerians who go abroad to have babies and leave the country after racking up an unpaid bill of 10K. Either way, who can blame them?

Diamonds and Pearls Concepts said...

As a pregnant woman, once you are able to answer their questions properly by telling the truth you are most likey to get the visa. am a travel consultant and most of our female clients both pregnant and not are usually given visas. just tell the truth!

Wonuola said...

It's important to be honest with any visa application. I am a travel consultant and Most of our female clients get their visas beacause they tell the truth. most times its when applicants lie that they get denied.

Anonymous said...

This is stale jist. They are even refusing those who paid their bills and have papers to show it. I know at least 4 people like that. Even guys. They will ask you if your wife is pregnant

Anonymous said...

Wow! I'm educated but couldn't give a rat ass about the write up! Omo u need to chill oo bitter angry soul!

Anonymous said...

They need to do pregnancy test! Boohoo

Lola Idije said...

So many interesting comments...

Well, America, is the only place to go if u want your child to be citizen and hold American Passport.

Here in the U.K, if u like born triplet, they're not getting a British Passport... All they get is the birth certificate showing d child was born there (not a certificate stating they are British citizen's).

Once d child leaves the UK, and u planned to visit, just make sure u have d reciept stating u paid for your medical or else, na automatic visa refusal be that for u and ur British born piken. If u can't afford to pay it, forget about British visa, and paying it doesn't gurantee u a visa either.

The UKBA, are now wise... Once it's boarding time for flight schedule for Nigeria, u might find them there checking passports of those leaving UK.

I was on a flight to Lagos, when passports were checked, to see if you've overstayed, checked against fraud and all that... I remembered people without visas on their Nigeria passport were asked if they've got another passport, and a woman was told to produce reciept for the child born in one of London's hospital (cos d mother had a naija passport with C-vist and d baby had a fresh naija passport with London, as place of birth).

Her picture and finger prints were taken straight away, and her visa was cancalled and told to pay up the medical at their embassy in Nigeria, if she ever wants to come back to UK. She wept from London to Lagos ni o, lamenting that British passport sef she no get for piken and debt is mounting.

UKBA, don gboro on immigrant now o, even some student visa sef now comes with 'NO WORK'.

Which way NIGERIA @ 52?

Na me! said...

CS section can easily cost $15,000-$25,000 for hosp bill depending on complications. This is for single birth, we arent talking about twins and multiples!!!

Vaginal births cost $7,000-$15,000 on average for hospital bill.

This is for hospital bill! Not talking about the doctor's bill which is cheaper.
Trust nigerians, they come here pay doctor the fee of either $2,000-$4,000, and bounce and leave hospital bill hanging. Many Nigerians do it, I even have some cousins who have done it, and its extremed sad because they are living big man life in Naija, and would rather spend that money on cars and clothes.

Even those who lie and get visa, I know several that have been bounced at port of entry with their belle, and sent back on the next flight to naija. My cousin's besto was an example.

Anonymous said...

Am Nigerian and i am manager of a medical record department and I have to agree that Nigerian women do mess up big time. Smh

Issac Isaac said...

Pls don't blame the embassy, we don over duam too much. Nigerian millonaires will come visit or have babies only to apply for free medical care. Na we dey drive them go shopping, them go chop all ur food and leave u dry.

VICTOR EKEANYANWU said...

Like the Ambassador will always say, your visa denial has nothing to do with the United State but the countenance of your interviewer. My sister went last year. She was denied and she wasn't even pregnant. She went this year and she was 5months pregnant. They gave her without even noticing her medical report or even her pregnancy. The only place her pregnancy came into context was at the airport by those criminal immigration officer

Anonymous said...

I applied for american visa sometime back at the point of interview was asked if i was pregnant and i answered yes. I was not denied but was told to get a letter from my hospital stating how far gone i was and also get an hospital in the US with the cost implication of what it would cost to have my baby there if i decided to do so and come back with proof that i can pay. I did and i was issued my visa two weeks later. At the point of entry, they asked if i was pregnant and i said yes. my file was consulted oline and they allowed me entry. and of cos, i paid up my bills to the pennys.

Anonymous said...

Abeg, i had my baby in america and i paid my bills, most nigerians r willing to pay. Granting visa is not mandatory but discretionary. I didnt need a visa to enter america cos im british , yet i had to answer long questions regarding the purpose of my stay . So nigerans should stop taking this issue personal.

PRECIOUSLY GORG said...

ERRRRRM THIS POST IS FALSE ABEG. MY SISTER GOT VISA WHILE SHE WAS 7 MONTHS PREGNANT WITH TWINS AND SHE FLEW IN LIKE THAT. MY FRIEND ALSO GOT VISA WHILE SHE WAS 4 MONTHS PREGNANT AQND HAD JUST GOTTEN MARRIED. IF THEY LIKE YOU AND YOU HAVE TRAVEL HISTORY TO UK OR OTHER COUNTRIES, CHANCES ARE U WONT BE DENIED VISA. LASTLY, I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY DO IN THE EMBASSY COS AM A BURS AND I KNOW TONS OF NIGERIANS THAT WILL LEAVE NIGERIA, UK AND COME AND GIVE BIRTH HERE AND DONT PAY FOR SONOGRAMS, XRAYS, MD VISITS AND JUST ASK THE HOSPITAL TO SEND THE BILL TO A FRIEND'S ADDRESS NEVER TO BE HEARD FROM AGAIN. ITS NOT RIGHT. DOCS MUST CHOP TOO NOW. MADAM ABEG GIVE BIRTH IN NIGERIA. IT IS WELL. LOL

Anonymous said...

True talk!!

Anonymous said...

ALL THIS HASSLE FOR NOTHING, TO A CHILD BORN IN 2012, BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WILL MEAN NOTHING IN THE FUTURE THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING WILL BE HOW MUCH MONEY IS IN YOUR GLOBAL BANK ACCOUNT. NIGERIANS STOP WASTING YOUR TIME AND MONEY ON FRIVOLOUS PURSUITS AS USUAL. DEVELOP UR OWN LOCAL SPACE EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING SO...THE GERMAN IMMIGRANT

ADE said...

the only reason most go out is so as to attain citizenship for the child which the writer of this article balantly left out.

there is also a period of time a pregnant woman is medically advised not to embark on such journey the embassy and airline can be held responsible for any complications that arises,they have to avoid such problems

by the way with the money they pay for flight ticket they can receive adequate maternity care in Nigeria

some people reasoning are just so retarded!!!

One Word Man said...

It sincerly saddens my heart that u exist - pakistani beauty, a good BJ would have paid off better than ur birth..
Person dey yan serz issue, u dey yan ngbati ngbati, kilode, wat can fa, my frnd u berra sell wateva medium u are usin to access dis blog and get ur sef some ginkgo leaves, its a good herbal cure for dementia (type of madness u have)
Linda pls put up dis comment

One Word Man said...

Mr Remi, respect ursef, keeping quiet is not a crime....
BE WARNED

sweet said...

I dont agree with this post o, i was issues a renewal visa last year December and i was already 8months pregnant. My advice will be dont lie abt any tin and have evidence that you can pay your hosp bills. Chikena.

Anonymous said...

I had my first baby in the US in 2011 and it cost about $6,500. I paid all my bills. I went back few days ago for a renewal;I am about 5 months pregnant and i got my visa. When the interveiwer asked what i wanted to go and do in America i told him the truth. he asked how much i had i told him and even informed him that I had already made part payment to my doctor in US. I showed him a proof of that and a letter from the doctor confirming that he is expecting me and that I paid my last bills and that was it. If you are truthful under normal circumstances you should get the visa. But you also need to proof that you can pay your bills. Its a wonderful experience to give birth over there. Its expensive yes but its worth it if you can afford it... I am so excited that I will have 2 American Citizen children :)

Anonymous said...

madam in response to your question; no they do not discriminate. My sister went to renew her visa, 6 months into pregnancy and was asked point blank if 1) she was pregnant and 2) if she intended to go have her baby in the states.
she answered yes to both questions, after which she was asked to bring evidence of funds, and correspondence with a doctor over there and visa wld be issued finish!
ps. she paid all her bills and got a clearance letter from the hospital, her hubbs has even renewed his visa since they got back

Anonymous said...

You can not spoil your country where u believe that there is no future for your kids and want to go to United States to have your baby in order for them to have a secured future.

Left for me alone, US should not grant any Nigerian visa. Let them stay home and experience the decadence they have directly or indirectly caused.

Tef tef said...

From alot of these comments i can see that alot of people dont have sense. Saying things like "stay in your country and experience decadence.... and some rubbish about nigerians living abroad working hard and paying tax. Clearly they are very narrow minded. It is obvious that the reason this became an issue in the first place is because of the ill mannered and badly behaved nigerians who have misused the openess of the american healthcare system, but the naive ppl talking rubbish shuld know that even other ill mannered americans do it. so its not about where you are from, its about you as a person. The only thing i think the Americans should be particular about is your ability to pay, and proof of payment for past procedures. But because of the vindictive nature of some of these americans working in the embassy, they take matters into their own hands.
I mean, should i put the life of my self and unborn child in danger just because.... i want to patriotic, or because of the sins of others.... it makes absolutely no sense. im a nigerian who just had my second child in the US in the 2yr time frame of my visa, and i know what i went through at the immigration posts at the point of entry both times i was coming through. but from their questions it was clear all they wanted to ascertain was that we could afford it, and proof that we paid for the past procedure. All the other questions about being pregnant when i applied for the visa, and not stating it was just them being stupid and overbearing because it not their business.
What we should rally for is that our government should improve our health care in nigeria so those that go abroad will go just because they want to not because they are worried they will not be properly cared for in nigeria. And also for the government to stand up to the embassy and all these foreigners who come to our country to discriminate against us and do things they wont do else where just because they know they will get away with it.

tef tef said...

KAI SOME PEOPLE ARE STUPID, NARROWMINDED, NAIVE, JEALOUS AND FULL OF HATE AND THESE COMMENTS HAVE MADE IT CLEAR. HABA!! TALKING ABOUT CITIZENSHIP, LIKE THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE?? THEY CAN KEEP THEIR CITIZENSHIP AND PROVIDE THE TREATMENT AND CARE ME AND MY CHILD WILL NEED. I CANT GO AND SUFFER COMPLICATIONS BECAUSE OF A COUNTRY THAT I CANT SINGLEHANDEDLY HELP. I HAVE TO STOP READING THESE COMMENTS SEF SO I DONT EXPLODE FROM ANGER!!

Blaxx12 said...

I THINK WE SHOULD CALL A SPADE A SPADE HERE. IS NOT DISCRIMINATION WHEN PREGNANT NIGERIAN WOMEN ARE TRAVELING TO AMERICA TO HAVE THEIR ANCHOR BABIES JUST SO THEIR BABIES WILL BECOME AMERICAN CITIZEN...SOMEBODY PAYS THE COST OF THE UNINSURED AND NO MONEY PREGNANT NIGERIAN WOMAN...YES AM SHOUTING IT OUT. FINALLY INS HAS WISEN UP...PAY YOUR BILLS AND FEEL PROUD TO HAVE YOUR CHILD IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY, THERE SHOULD BE NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. THE CHANGE YOU ENJOY IN OTHER PEOPLE'S COUNTRY CAN ALSO BE BUILT IN YOUR OWN IF YOU WORK AT IT INSTEAD OF RUNNING AWAY.

Blaxx12 said...

" Anonymous said...

I had my first baby in the US in 2011 and it cost about $6,500."

You must have had your baby in a home health midwifery...with no specialist or certified doctors present. $6,500 is not even enough to run the necessary tests needed to verify that your child is ready to be born much less a whole hosptial birth. This tells me that Medical Assistance paid a major portion of your bill because you told the social workers some lies. That's what the fucking problem is..Nigerians visiting America and painting a thick black paint across that most Nigerians who live and work here are looked at as criminals.

Anonymous said...

@ Blackxx12 please keep shut if you dont have the correct information. I had my baby in a very good hospital with certified doctors. Some people give birth in the US with as low as $3,000. If any part of my bill was paid via Medicaid i should have been denied a visa - I specifically told the interveiwer that my intention was to go and give birth to my second baby. Stop pedling false rumours $6,500 is sufficient to give birth in the US. If you need my doctors details i can give them to you!

Anonymous said...

Nigerian go every where to spoil things. They abused the system in Ireland so much the govt there stopped automatic citizenship for foreigners' baby. Now I hear 'ability -to-send- wife- to-America- to -give-birth' is a criteria for marriage . I don't blame the Americans because a lot of Nigerians abuse the system. If you want to go give birth, apply for a medical visa not a visiting visa .

Anonymous said...

I think this post is unfair to them. After having my baby in the US, I went to renew and was asked for my receipts,I was asked why I didn't declare I wanted to have a baby and I said I went for shopping but had complications and the doctor advised against travelling back, I was asked if I would need medicals again and I said yes. I was pregnant again, asked if I had arrangements and I showed them my doctor's acceptance letter and receipt of prepayment(which can be refunded if visa is denied). My visa was renewed and at point of entry all they did was count the money I had with me to ensure I would pay,as the embassy had put it in the system that they granted me visa to go have my baby. Going forward,I should have any problems renewing.
The point is get in touch with hospitals and do some prepayments, also show evidence u have strongholds back in Nigeria.they have given about 30 pregnant women I know this year with this method

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Anonymous said...

Blaxx 12, that is a big lie!!!! its very possible to pay 6500k as hospital bills. it all depends on the town you go to. For example in lancaster california(a place im very sure most of you do not know, cos its a very small town) it cost just 2500k for vaginal delivery, 600dollars for tests and 2000k for doctor's bill. your child as a US citizen gets free checkup by a local pead. you just have to know the right to place to go to get the same quality health care for less. even a c-section costs just 3500k in the hospital. The hospital is called WOMWN AND INFANT PAVILLION ANTELOPE VALLEY LANCASTER CA. You can do your research if you want.

Anonymous said...

blaxx12 please get your facts right! it is very possible to get medical care in the US for 6500k and even less. At Antelope Valley Hospital in Lncaster CA, it cos $2500 for natural birth, $3500 for a C-Section, $2000 for doctor's bill and $600 for lab bill.so with either $4100 OR $6100 you can get the same good quality health care as you would get in either LA, NEWYORK, WASHINGTON ETC. Just need to do your research well. knowledge is power and will save you alotta money!

Anonymous said...

@blaxx12 i am now in Chicago to give birth again and my bill is still $6,500. At the port of entry they just asked for my previous receipt which i tendered and i was given a 6 months stay!!! My dream of having a second US citizen son will be fufilled in February by the Grace of God

Anonymous said...

I had my baby in the US in 2011, renewed my US visa on Friday. The interviewer asked if I wz gonna have any other kids there n I said yes. She said it was okay if I want to do that but that I shud just pay ma bills and contact a doctor before I leave naija for the US so that they don't stress me at immigration. I don't see any crime in wanting good health care for you and your child in the Us and at the same time getting the benefits that come with it. So stop hating people cos I'm sure that if you had the same opportunity and privilege you will do same.

Anonymous said...

Why is everyone being aggressive?I think we should direct our anger to our government.You don't have to blame her for seeking a better medical service.
From my ow experience,I can never stay in naija to have any child from my first experience.If I can have my child anywhere as long as I have my money, why not? They denied me too and I went to the UK,paid my bills before going there at all and i got the best treament I expected. I would have paid more here and got rubbish treatment and most likely be paying for my death from my first experience.

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Hank Meyer said...

US taxpayers do NOT want to shell out to pay some Nigerian's hospital bill to have some random brat....stay home and drop your kid in the fn jungle....stay the f out of my country...we do not owe any Nigerian (nor any other culture) a free ride for medical benefits or any other benefit....get that simple fact through your incredibly thick skull.

Hank Meyer said...

The US embassy is not discriminating; it is protecting the interests of US taxpayers and US citizens against malfeasance from lowlifes who arrive in MY country and immediately soak up medical benefits they HAVE NOT EARNED. Go home.

Anonymous said...

what is so special about American citizenship. if you spend half as much effort to plan for his or her eternal life, i think it will do you and the child much good.

Anonymous said...

who let the racist hank meyer in here? u poor miserable thing smh

Anonymous said...

Well I really do not find anything wrong in having children abroad for medical reasons or just for citizenship. Our leaders are really messing up big time and to me it’s like having a plan b for the children. Later in life if they want to study abroad for example it’s always easier with a foreign passport. Also the child will not have to go through some very rigorous process of getting visas. But Nigerians should please stop this habit of not paying their bills or claiming benefits not meant for visitors it’s really embarrassing. I had all my kids abroad and I have never had problem renewing my US visas because I always PAY MY BILLS

Anonymous said...

I am a Nigerian American born to a Nigerian father and American mother. I myself work for social services in America and most of what you all are saying is true. I am proud to be a Nigerian but the abuse of the American system is just too much. Both of my parents struggled in their earlier years to have me and my sisters. They are now both successful and it is not fair for them to pay for others I am sorry to say. And then what makes me angry is how Nigerians talk down on America. "Oh those people in America ooo" Those Black Americans in America ooo" "those Akatas" If it would not be for the blacks in America like Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, there would be no migration to America at all! This conversation would not exist nor this BLOG!!! There is no perfect country. I could say alot about NIGERIANS both here in America and in Nigeria but I'm intelligent to know that not every Nigerian is the same just like not all blacks or whites or Americans are the same. The problem is beyond Visas and having children here. There is a problem with alot of Nigerians and their ability to be more accepting. The mentality needs to change. America is successful because they are accepting, they are for the rights of the people. You tell me what country will allow you to come here and get assistance? Do you know that even the mother who is not a citizen still can get her bills paid for? Sometimes I blame American because it seems as people will sell their souls to come here but then will talk down on the people and country. I am for giving opportunity after all that is how I am who I am. My father was given a student Visa and thats how he was able to come here. America is based on hard work. period. All the movies you watch and see is just that a movie it paints a facade. There is no trick or schemes. JUST WORK!! The sooner Nigerians get that out of their head the easier it will be for all of us.Especially those of us working day in and day out to provide for our families back in Nigeria. I recently just came back from Nigeria in June, it was my first time going as an adult. Though I had fun, Nigeria still has a long way to go. Simple things like sanitation is horrible. To see people not even having lights. It was something I could not even believe until I saw it with my own eyes. I see why people want to escape poverty. Men were proposing marriage to me and my sisters left and right and I know its because we are from America. They saw a way out and I know its because of situations of the country so I know its bad there. So no it is not wrong to want to invest and secure your child's future. If you are responsible enough to make the decision to concieve a child then be responsible enough to support the child financially including the birth. No one owes anyone anything. Be grateful of the opportunity allowed.

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