Dear LIB readers; my fiance hates the doctrine of my church
From a female LIB reader
I and my fiance have been together for almost three years. I love him so much and I believe he loves me too. I'm just worried about something if we get married. I'm a winner (living faith church) and
you know we have our blessed mantle, anointing oil, feet washing
service and all of that. He on the other hand has never been a fan of
winners. Now he's saying anointing oil and mantle will never be allowed
in his house. He's reason is actually very clear... "Anything else apart
from the name of Jesus is not allowed".
He says we are all children of
God and should connect to him directly and not via a mantle or oil. In
fact he calls all of those things idols because people tend to forget
about calling to God directly and reach out to those things. I have
tried my best to convince him and tell him it doesn't mean you don't
believe God or don't call him directly if you use those things. I have
tried telling him I'll use them but he's permitted not to use them and
he refused saying it will not be allowed in his house. Only the name of
Jesus is allowed. Kindly let me know what LIB readers think of this and
what I can do.
My dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
My dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
My dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
My dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
Tell your hubby to be,to each his own!!! I wonder what makes some people feel that theirs is the standard way of worship. Until we learn to tolerate one another, their views & believes,there will always be friction
Its quite a precarious situation you've found yourself, but its better its coming up now when you both are not married yet. Its left for you to decide, if you feel the sharp divide in religion perception is strong enough to come between you both, the earlier you call it quit the better for you, but if you feel you can bend towards his sentiment and remain with him, its yours to decide.
My dear, he is your husband as God don ordained man as the head of the home its best for you to reduce it and get a better way to talk to him about it, as long as he does not stop you from worshiping God. To e its not really an issue. Goodluck.
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you answerable to God alone and not your Pastor nor Church. think about that. he said the name of God alone. not the name of church. so i see nothing wrong in what he has said. if you claim you love him so much , you will drop the church doctrine and follow that of God.
Hello dear.. ur husband is very right, we all serve d same God.. I am a Muslim n anytime I hear any christain pray I do say amen to the prayers.. D only issue I have with Christians is d fact that av this sentiment about each other's church.. around my area, we have 3 different redeem churches?? Why can't a catholic or celestial or redeem go to each other's church.. but in Islam so far u see a mosque u can go in.. it is called a place of worship n so far u r genuinely worship God I don't think the type of church should matter.. using anointing oil or praying on a mantle doesn't make u closer to God, ur spiritual well being is the answer to ur question. If u truly love dis man, I don't tink he has asked for too much.. he didn't tell u to sin against God
Religious issues are complex and complicated, it's not My favorite topic. thats the reason i am a liberal Christian, So I really don't know What tell you, aside that you both have to talk and come to an understanding.
Hmmmmm.....Tough one but.... Ok You love him...yes He loves you...you think so, yes Is he the will of God for you??? Love is never enough for a marriage to succeed cos it fades off in the end You know what they say, better to have a broken relationship than a broken marriage
Your fiancé is a "Real Christian. He is right,the name of Jesus is enough. You people do all sorts of things in church and do not stop to think of its implications. U are already serving Idols seeing as you can't do without those things.
Don't make dis an issue already, u said in ur own words "if we get married" he hasn't even proposed it's well. Don't make dis an issue if he believes in the name of JESUS live him, other things will follow when u guys get married. Don't allow this affect your marriage. He should know that Anointing breaks the yoke after your marriage.
What else do u want 2 knw? It's either u follow his way or u 4get abt him and look 4 who wil believe in what u belive in It won't work if u end up marrying him cos it wil get worse. As simple as ABC #oneandonlynwa@gmail.com#
Use your anointing oil. Keep it in your bag or office. Bring it out only when needed! Even my husband that is Muslim allows me to use anything! I even go to church with the kids! He even brings the anointing oil for me when I need it. Keep praying. -Seun
i don't usually comment, but your fiance is right.... only the name of Jesus is what a christian should use. you should be glad you have a man who has his foundation sure on Christ and his word
all of you gullible idiots praying in the name of oyedepo, Muoka, Adeboye, Oyakhilome should start praying in the Name of God.. you people have been brainwashed to the extent that all you gullible idiots forgets the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
My fiance said i must wed her in christ Embassy where she worship and i told her that if she cant wed me in Roman catholic where i worship let her forget the marriage.
How can she wed y in your own church, what happens to her parents'church. After all she would still attend your RCM with you for the rest of her life . can't u honour her n parents just for that day.
So Winners use mantle and oil and other idol stuffs yet u people will condemn the Catholic Church for calling on mother Mary and the Saints to intercede for them. SMH
I agree with your fiance. Non of the early church practices as documented in the scriptures, from Acts to Revelation show the use of such tools as means in our communication with God.Be careful lest you lapse into idolatry. Even if there are testimonies of its efficacy and that there are testimonies that it has worked for those who used them, it does not make it right in the sight of God.
Can 2 work together except they agree... He does not agree with u, but u agree with him - case close. U have not said u disagree with him: afterall, both of u will attend his church post marriage!
U don't have a problem. I don't believe in all those things either. I believe in going down on my knees and telling God my problem. But still if u can't deal, kindly forward ur fiance's number to me. I think both if us will make a perfect couple.
Babe, in Nigeria women don't have church till they get married, you have to abide by his rules since he is the head of the house. besides He is a Christian and also believes in God. Mantle or no mantle God is the same everywhere
Jesus said He is the way the truth and life yea, every church has their own doctrine and what they do, sister are you thinking scriptures? have the scripture described all those as something to believe in? are you really born again or just a bamboozled with the church flow? If the guy is a born again Christian it is the way forward here. the bible reminded us in 1Timothy1:3-7 about any how kind of doctrines. YOU CAN GET MIRACLES WITHOUT THOSE IN YOUR HOME.
my dear would you rather he allowed another name in his house, like satan?? you have no issue because even that bible teaches us that JESUS is the way, truth and the life!!!
Babe, in Nigeria women don't have church till they get married, you have to abide by his rules since he is the head of the house. besides He is a Christian and also believes in God. Mantle or no mantle God is the same everywhere
Is this a problem bikonu? Wait! Tot wen a girl gets married she'll start attending her husband's church. Ya even lucky he's a christian sef. He didn't say u should stop going to church.
tell him to go and read his bible very well he will see the mystys of all those things that hes saying he dose not want see.but if u love him that way and u are ready to stay marry him,allso rember that onece u enter no going back GOD BLESS U.
I believe u are a Christian so permit my christianese. If you are convinced in your heart that he is the man for you then you do not have a problem. The truth is, you are both right but 2 cannot walk together unless they agree. Scripture says the wife should submit to her own husband. The name if Jesus' is all sufficient. You can do without the mantle and oil because the spirit if God does not live in mantles or oils but in people. But you cannot do without the name of Jesus. If you'll marry him, you'll submit to him.
Why not use the bible and convince him about the importance and significance of anointing oil. God directed some prophets in the old testament to anoint some of His chosen in the Holy Book. As for the mantle, i am really not a fan of that. Talk it out with him and make sure u both arrive at a common ground before the wedding. If in the end he is still adamant, then sorry sis, but u have to toll his line. After all its one God we all are serving.
All these practices were all what Jesus and his disciples did. And as his followers and christ-likes we'll do all that, remember Jesus spat on his hand and mixed with mud to open someone's eyes. All these are just factors of working miracles and not doctrine
Why not use the bible and convince him about the importance and significance of anointing oil. God directed some prophets in the old testament to anoint some of His chosen in the Holy Book. As for the mantle, i am really not a fan of that. Talk it out with him and make sure u both arrive at a common ground before the wedding. If in the end he is still adamant, then sorry sis, but u have to toll his line. After all its one God we all are serving.
Am afraid his right, most people tend to depend on these things like anointed oil and mantles and forget about the Cross and that the prize for all the reasons your using these things for have been paid for more than 2000 years ago. Wherefore they are regarded as idols cause most people have actually forgotten how to call on the name of the Lord at the time of adversity and will bring out anointed oil forgetting that at the Name of Jesus Christ every knee shall bow..
I rarely comment ere but on this one, i am 100% on your mans side of the fence. I have read the bible to the end of it more than once and most things practiced in today's churches are way off this holy book. And he's your husband. If that's what he wants in your home, it will be best you adhere for peace to reign. My 2 cent
I think your fiance was making senses which I will tell you to abide to his rules despite the fact he never asked you not to worship God or do your church services except adding other things to worship God which he will not approved. Base on my fact, using all sorts does not guarantee prayers acceptance so, why not worship God directly as he said and have peaceful home.
This is serious my dear infant don't over look it becos "it doesn't matter matters a lot".
Try to let him reason with if he still refuse you and ur way of church, my dear it's either you leave your church and it's doctrine and marry him or leave him.
This is serious my dear infant don't over look it becos "it doesn't matter matters a lot".
Try to let him reason with if he still refuse you and ur way of church, my dear it's either you leave your church and it's doctrine and marry him or leave him.
You tried your best to convince him.....! Why not get convinced by him instead? What is wrong with today's woman? You should listen to him because he'll be heading that your future home, and will be responsible for decisions! Yes, I said so! Your fiance is obviously the one using his head here. What's olive oil, blah, blah, blah,...? Jesus Christ is your route to getting anything! Forget these business men that bear "pastor", you don't need all these rituals to access God's favours and blessings. These are just some of the schemes your criminal penticostal "pastors" use in manipulating and extorting you. Women are very emotional. All their decisions are fulcrumed on emotion. You're very lucky to have such a fiance, if I were to be the one, you must leave that criminal organisation called Winners Chapel!
That your fiance maybe an occult guy o even Islamic people, witches and wizards now call the name of Jesus without fear o. Occult people can so fear anointing oil and bible. Is he a believer if no then run for your dear life o.
Then let it go if U prefer Ur Mariage. Personally I ain't a fan of the Church as well cuz of its owner's strong believe in materialism nd flamboyant life style which in turn sow d seed of desperation in its members.
You tried your best to convince him.....! Why not get convinced by him instead? What is wrong with today's woman? You should listen to him because he'll be heading that your future home, and will be responsible for decisions! Yes, I said so! Your fiance is obviously the one using his head here. What's olive oil, blah, blah, blah,...? Jesus Christ is your route to getting anything! Forget these business men that bear "pastor", you don't need all these rituals to access God's favours and blessings. These are just some of the schemes your criminal penticostal "pastors" use in manipulating and extorting you. Women are very emotional. All their decisions are fulcrumed on emotion. You're very lucky to have such a fiance, if I were to be the one, you must leave that criminal organisation called Winners Chapel!
Conflicts of belief are very serious conflicts, cause a belief and traditional ways of doing things are difficult to let go.
Its also not easy to win over a person from his/her own beliefs into your own, and this is because in a person's eyes their belief is supreme and more especially when it has worked in either alleviating a problem or bringing a soothing relief.
But I do thank God both of you are Christians, so it's going to be a lot easier to reach a compromise. In every relationship and marriage; being in focus here; sacrifice is one of the greatest weapons for peace, if not the greatest. It was Christ's supreme sacrifice that brought the world into the grace and mercy of God. That sacrifice built a lot of broken fences in our relationship with God. Sacrifice destroys ego which is mankind's biggest problem.
Christ sacrificed to show love and bridge the gap in our relationship with God and succeeded. In essence I think we ought to also take a que from Christ, if we want to maintain love within a relationship we must learn to sacrifice like christ did, and when I say sacrifice I mean sacrifice in the way of the Lord. Don't sin in sacrifice.
The sacrifice I'm talking about will work well in your case. Find out what his church is all about and as long as they preach the truth. Switch for the sake of love. And if they don't. Pray! For God's intervention.
Shebi not in his house. Buy your car and out it in your car abi office. Abeg. If oil or mantle will cost you your marriage abeg let them go. As biblical as they are, they're for people to tie their faith to. So you sef build up your faith so u can serve God without the oils or mantles. Magicblackxxl@gmail.com
My dear u hv a sound bible believer cheistian with u ,jesus christ didn't use anything but many ppl was delivered truogh him ,like wise paul ,peter,and the rest of them ,but I'm not condeming ur believe but ur guy is right 100%
Poster, never marry a man that dont believe in your same line of doctrine/ faith, there will always be problem of agreement, even the bible says: 'not until 2 agrees' it will drain you spiritually. you dont have to come down to his level as per spiritual things just because you want to please a man. it is like telling a Celestial man that u wanna sow your car as shiloh sacrifices he's never gonna understand that.
he is certainly going to still ban u from worshiping in Living Faith when u guys are married u bet. my dear take a walk. if he truly wants to spend the rest of his life with u he will be ready to compromise. dont marry a dictator abeg. he is not the only man in niaja.
sweetie your fiance isnt wrong about the name of Jesus set above every other thing.I am not condeming you babe,more than any church doctrine what does the bible say,I HAVE GIVEN YOU A NAME ABOVE EVERY OTHER NAME,which is the name of Jesus.Secondly,he has made his stand known to avoid misunderstanding rethink you relationship with him,our faith can cause major kasala in mariage so if he doesnt want it and u want it,you gatz to rethink the whole thing if you are willingly to go thru it.
If she is not desperate for husband she should leave him but I can bet that she will regret it. The man is right,she should adjust to his wish after all is likely she will change to his church when they marry.
If your doctrine is not allowed and you cannot bend to his my dear you need to move on, unless you heard God clearly saying you should stay put. Those things can actually be an idol but it depends on how they are used. The name of Jesus supercedes all though.
sweetie your fiance isnt wrong about the name of Jesus set above every other thing.I am not condeming you babe,more than any church doctrine what does the bible say,I HAVE GIVEN YOU A NAME ABOVE EVERY OTHER NAME,which is the name of Jesus.Secondly,he has made his stand known to avoid misunderstanding rethink you relationship with him,our faith can cause major kasala in mariage so if he doesnt want it and u want it,you gatz to rethink the whole thing if you are willingly to go thru it.
is very clear,you fiance didnot say you should stop going to church but he doesnt no believe in the anointing oil and others things, fine if you believe in Christ and you have faith, and you pray into ordinary water in your room for any kind of sicknes and drink it ,it will work because of your own faith if you have 1000 of mathle without faith it work nothing
sweetie your fiance isnt wrong about the name of Jesus set above every other thing.I am not condeming you babe,more than any church doctrine what does the bible say,I HAVE GIVEN YOU A NAME ABOVE EVERY OTHER NAME,which is the name of Jesus.Secondly,he has made his stand known to avoid misunderstanding rethink you relationship with him,our faith can cause major kasala in mariage so if he doesnt want it and u want it,you gatz to rethink the whole thing if you are willingly to go thru it.
''The heat of physical chemistry can overshadow divergent interests. When the fires of passion cool down, issues of your real core values begin to arise. The fundamental truth about human relationships is that we succeed best with those who are similar to us the most.''
Am a Living Faith member as well. I won't do 'anything' to compromise my beliefs and Church practice. Not even for the sake of marriage. Mantle, Anointing oil, feet washing service and all of that are all instruments of healing and impartation according to the Bible. There are certain things U need to be sure of before U decide to live with someone for the rest of your life. But in everything in life, your beliefs comes first in any relationship. Otherwise, you either bear or enjoy your marriage. Otherwise, decide to give up your beliefs and live with him or walk away and sustain your belief and system of worship...
My dear,it's Jesus only, Jesus Ever. Let him be all in all you see and not any silly mantle or annointing oil that can't save you. I hope you know husbands are scarce now,you berra be submissive and heed to his instruction to avoid stories that touches the heart.
He is actually right on principle and I think he is a smart guy...this u recognize but don't accept... He may be going about it the wrong way but this is also difficult to tell since we have only your side of the story
I totally agree with ur fiance,U won't blame him cos all dis pastors are not trustworthy.Bible already made it clear.We should recognise d name JESUS CHRIST in all situations not some mantle and d rest.and bsides,u should knw now dat when u get married to ur husband,his church bcomes ur church.just start getting used to dat idea.
PLEASE MY DEAR NOTHING TO THINK ABOUT HERE OOH,AS FAR HIS A CHRISTAIN THATS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.WAS ONCE IN YOUR SHOES,WAS IN WINNERS BEFORE I GOT MARRIED TO A CHRIST EMBASSY MEMBER AND THEY DONT BELIVE IN ALL THAT. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS YOU GUYS SERVE GOD SHIKENA
Dear it is your ddecision to make....if you truEly love the guy.and you are sure you can sacrifice your faith for the love then you have to make up your mind now before itstoo late.....to aavoid future regrets...best of luck dear
Hmmm he is the owner of the house, he has said it he has said it. Nd thank God he told u early now before anything like marriage take place. If u know that u can't obey or bear what he told u. U re free to quite the relationship now. Unguanu!!
I am a Winner too.. but i'd tell you that peace and harmony at home are more important than any church doctrine.. that comes with certain compromises.. if he doesnt like them, then dont bring them into your home..
Both d anointing and d mantle plus d oga at d top wey dey sell am ALL NA WASH. BE WISE. Which do u value more? From which of them do u derive the most happiness, satisfaction, fulfillment, pleasure?
i agree to what yur fiance is saying. people tend to forget the creator and then worship the creature. if he is saying only the name of Jesus is permitted, so be it. v yu forgotten dat the name of the lord is a strong tower. moreover, is it not that yu'll be attending yur fiance's church after yu marry him. dnt lose that guy cos of the oda things.
well, its not enuf to end ur relationship for. You can use ur mantle and oil without him knowing. hope u also realise and have accepted that he wont allow u attend winners anymore.
Look here love, Its very simple... Three things are renowned for destroying marriages: Money, Sex and communication. Let's put religion under the communication umbrella. You both love each other..You are both Christians, you both believe in Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. Having mantles whether they are handkerchiefs or oils or whatever does not add or diminish the power of Christ. The man believes in the Name of Jesus and that is a lot more than many Nigerian men believe in. Please, if your mantles are more important than the name of the one for whom the mantles exist, then your man deserves someone else..finito.
Your guy believes in the name of JESUS, that is the ultimate. U dont have a problem at all. Mantle, anointing oil etc are not compulsory for God to answer ur prayers.
He doesn't believe in the doctrines of your church does not mean he hates em my dear.The man is the spiritual head of a relationship,while courting and eventually getting merried in the long run.You can't challenge him on issues.The scripture backs itup fully
Mtcheeew see what doctrinal Christianity is causing! What is mantle and anoiting oil abeg? Where in the bible did you see christ or his apostles establish this things as mediums of communication with him? He says they that believe in their hearts and call upon the name of Jesus shall be save!!! Nigerian Christians and christians in general have so doctrinised Christianity drawing back to the same idolism where we seek physical representation of God's presence in the form of oils, statues, hankerchief etc the very thing Christ came to turn us away from. The veil was turn when he died signifying we now had direct access to God, the simple thing we had to do was to believe in her heart and confess with our mouth ie calling upon the name of Jesus and no matter the situation we are saved...but no the inner pagan selfs in us cannot accept how easy that can be we must look for physical representations like our forefathers in order to be able to believe in the power of God; thats why in Nigeria people keep running from church to church looking for the new best thing n churches keep springing up daily yet the wickedness and decadence in Nigeria is on an all time high! My advice to you sister is to repent of your religious and doctrinal ways, join ur fiance and look for a bible believing church and start worshiping God in spirit and in truth! Remember the bible is the standard by which christians should live their lives and whatever ur pastor is saying no matter how highly placed he is or how much respect you have for him if it's not in the bible then you shouldn't be doing it. You have not been called to serve a pastor or church but Christ and on the day of judgement the bible will be the standard by which you will be judged not the church or doctrines you religiously practised! Better thank God for using your fiance to correct your ignorance and thank God you have such a sound Christian as a future husband!
Hello dear.. ur husband is very right, we all serve d same God.. I am a Muslim n anytime I hear any christain pray I do say amen to the prayers.. D only issue I have with Christians is d fact that av this sentiment about each other's church.. around my area, we have 3 different redeem churches?? Why can't a catholic or celestial or redeem go to each other's church.. but in Islam so far u see a mosque u can go in.. it is called a place of worship n so far u r genuinely worship God I don't think the type of church should matter.. using anointing oil or praying on a mantle doesn't make u closer to God, ur spiritual well being is the answer to ur question. If u truly love dis man, I don't tink he has asked for too much.. he didn't tell u to sin against God
Please my dear...we winners believe in those doctrines..and even if we are marry outside of our church,it doesn't mean we should not be allowed to practice what we know is right and is biblical. if he is not ready to accept our church practices, then he should be ready to let u go. As for me, that's what I will do, leave him if he is strongheaded and cannot be convinced. My view s sha.
I don't believe in all that crap either or may be when I'm cruising in 4 intercontinental jets and want people to worship me. Pray to ur God and attend his church. Chikena.
I will not include Winners Chapel in my answer because really it has no business with it. It is true that we are are entitled to free belief in whatever religion we choose. But as a Christian and as a woman, We all agree basically on the same Bible and the same God. You are expected (ideally) to leave your own belief and take up your husband's belief, unless he grants you the privilege of worshipping in your own way. I know Christian women who married muslims and their husbands allowed them continue with Christianity after marriage. I also know women who had to convert to Islam because they married muslim men. I have heard of muslim women who converted their Christian husbands to Islam also. I myself am a Christian. My hubby attended RCCG before we married till the day he attended a service at my Orthodox (Old School) church. Now, we go to my church together because he prefers it. If you love your man, my advice to you is to accept what he wants. You are expected to anyway though times have changed. If you can come to a compromise with him, you can suggest alternating your churches. Finally, speak to a pastor or Man of God about this. I suggest you go to a pastor who is not of either denomination so he isn't biased. I wish you well my dear.
Hello dear, I attend Winners too so I vividly understand your point. But I will like to reply you on a neutral note. Its no news now that 'Belief' is paramount in everything we do. Even God cannot be pleased outside faith. God is not an Author of confusion at this point if you are truly lost and you don't know what to do go to God in prayers and ask Him to take control and lead you into His Will. Let God decides what to do because only Him knows the end from the beginning and only Him knows how He has fashioned you including the plans and purpose He has for you. Marriage is an institution created by God, God doesn't create a thing for it to be destroyed, something as little as these Kingdom mysteries can break a home and I am sure you aren't getting married to have a broken home. Mama and Papa celebrated 33yrs of blissful married life this week this, that should challenge you as a Spiritual daughter. When Mama was on her sick bed some of these Kingdom Mysteries were her Testimony. Go to God for answers.
Am a winner. My dear if you have attended WOFBI this will not be a problem. the truth is that if you want to get married to this man and have peace you must do as he said. The good thing is that he is a believer. Don't fight your husband because of church women. If you can't follow him to his church don't marry him.
My dear, this matter is delicate but can be handled in the place of prayer. Writing from the point of personal experience, I will suggest that you do not try to force your opinion on this subject on the man especially if you are convinced that God has brought both of you together as a couple. If the hand of the Lord is in this matter, with prayers and patience God will grant him revelation on it. I have had issues with my wife concerning certain doctrines of my church. I chose the path of prayer and without forcing her to accept my views on the subject, God gradually opened her eyes to the truth of what she was against and presently my wife is a strong advocate of those doctrines. there is no limit to what prayers can do, however we must also not lose sight of the fact that these things are tokens of God's power and should not replace God. The power of these tokens actually lie in your faith in God and not the fact that they can "magically or supernaturally" work wonders. Just ask the Lord for revelation. Both of you need it. I hope this helps.
Sis! U don't have a problem! Once u get married u follow your husband's doctrine. Dats all. Assuming u got married to a muslem man! What would u do? Don't because of dis issue overwork yourself or your relationship, ones Ua married, take your mind of winner. Gaskia
did bible not say in the name of Jesus every knee must bow. if you believe in anointing oil, then you will believe in holy water. at the instance of your challenge instead of you to call your saviour, the one that died on the cross for you, you rush for the oil or water. instead of your faith to be in Christ Jesus, it will be in oil and water. dear those thing are idol. he that will serve God must serve him in spirit and in truth. and of course he is the head thank God, he is not against the name Jesus.
Iv actually never been a fan of winners myself. Too many kwanshi added to the christianity matter. And they are too wealth-oriented for my liking. Atleast d sermons iv heard o. Its all about money, success, getting rich, leadership. Im not saying these are bad o but then again isnt rapture more impt than all that. Just saying sha. Oya where are the monkeys who will want to talk shit to me cos i aired my opinion? Im anxiously waiting. Hunnie. u bliv in God, yes? So does ur spouse. So u shudnt v a p worshipping God wherever however cos God is everywhere and its kinda tradition that wen u marry u join ur hubbys church leaving all things 'behind' including ur church and its ways. Its a compromise /sacrifice u v to make. It will b hard but its just smthing u have to do. Or u cud just dump him n go and marry in winners... just kidding luv.
Madam, u better listen to your fiancee. i attend winners too but my hubby doesn't. i have had to adjust to spiritual life without feet washing as the rest. So far both call on the name of Jesus. My prayers have been answered without the anointing oil. Think of the bigger picture dear, there is denomination in heaven. Marry your fiance and pray in the name of Jesus.That is all that matters
Madam, you have a direct access to God just like you pastors that sold those annointing oil & mantles to you. Your fiance is on point. Those thing eventually turn into some sort of idols as you feel a sense of security having them around you, forgettig that our almighty God is sufficient. You can do away with them and still be fine.
Madam, you have a direct access to God just like you pastors that sold those annointing oil & mantles to you. Your fiance is on point. Those thing eventually turn into some sort of idols as you feel a sense of security having them around you, forgettig that our almighty God is sufficient. You can do away with them and still be fine.
THE earlier u leave him d better 4 u cos if u marry him be ready 2 stop worshipping at winners, so make ur choice now not tomorrow u will send another epistle.
Your man is hundred percent right. Am a winner too ( WOFBI graduate) and I know deep down that it is idolatry and I know the holyspirit ( dat still little voice) has told u d same thing but wat can we do those symbolism just makes u feel God is closer n I kinda like it tho I feel guilty all d time. So sister choose between listening to that still little voice or to satisfy ur own selfish desire or belief
my dear, if your fiance hates your church doctrine and you not ok with it,you let go.Marriage is to be happy not to be troubled,but you know what you want in life.Follow your
Please make him understand where you are coming from, all the anointing oil and mantle are used in the name of Jesus and no other names. Thank God he believes in the name.
Don't let anything alter your faith in the name of love, like papa will always say, marriage is for a lifetime but wedding is just one day. Elija used the mantle, Samuel anointed David with anointing oil. Sooo. .. look before you leap. Or go for counselling in your church.
My dear...same reason why some catholics marry each other...i'm nt prepared to abandon my faith for anybody though. If he is catholic ..perfect, but if he's not, he should allow I and my kids (if they choose) to practice my catholic faith, else he's on his own. Salvation is personal, and I believe everyone should use whatever means necessary to secure their chances of going to heaven. If you feel the Spirit in winners, and you can't get that spiritual in any other church, then I rili dnt knw what to advise you to do...personally i'm done with him if he doesn't allow me to practise my faith.
My dear...same reason why some catholics marry each other...i'm nt prepared to abandon my faith for anybody though. If he is catholic ..perfect, but if he's not, he should allow I and my kids (if they choose) to practice my catholic faith, else he's on his own. Salvation is personal, and I believe everyone should use whatever means necessary to secure their chances of going to heaven. If you feel the Spirit in winners, and you can't get that spiritual in any other church, then I rili dnt knw what to advise you to do...personally i'm done with him if he doesn't allow me to practise my faith.
My dear...same reason why some catholics marry each other...i'm nt prepared to abandon my faith for anybody though. If he is catholic ..perfect, but if he's not, he should allow I and my kids (if they choose) to practice my catholic faith, else he's on his own. Salvation is personal, and I believe everyone should use whatever means necessary to secure their chances of going to heaven. If you feel the Spirit in winners, and you can't get that spiritual in any other church, then I rili dnt knw what to advise you to do...personally i'm done with him if he doesn't allow me to practise my faith.
So what do you want people to do for your now, to tell your fiance to accept mantle and anointing oil? Thank God he didnt tell you after marriage. If you know you cannot do without mantle and etc, break the engagement.
Can two walk together except they agree? No! It's just like telling a deeper life member or jehovah witness to marry a Catholic..... if they do, one will have to bend to the others will... pentecostal still try to marry catholic without any issue (depends) on individual preferences. Doctrine has caused a lot of havoc in Christianity
Dear female LIB reader, calling and relying upon the name of Jesus Christ alone and following the WORDS of God strictly is the only way to worship and serve God. Don't ever mix anything with that. Hey, don't lose that unique man!
Ur man has a valid point. We tend to place more importance on this objects and the men of God than GOD himself. For all intents and purposes, those things are idols.
Hnmm.. well, show him scriptural backings where those items were used by Jesus for transference of power and performance of miracles, and He has said that greater things than he did shall we do, and we are gods, a little lower than angels etc. If possible take him to your branch pastor for further clarification. He will believe you afterwards. Good luck dear.
Which one is blessed mantle and washing of feet? I have been a Winner for two years and sorry to say, I have never witnessed any of these things u mentioned except the anointing oil service.
below are bible verse on anointing oil (there are 77 verse in the bible that is on anointing oil but this is just few u can use to convince):
Mark 6:13 Verse Concepts And they were casting out many demons and were anointing with oil many sick people and healing them.
Ruth 3:3 Verse Concepts "Wash yourself therefore, and anoint yourself and put on your best clothes, and go down to the threshing floor; but do not make yourself known to the man until he has finished eating and drinking. Isaiah 61:1 Verse Concepts The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Leviticus 4:3
Verse Concepts if the anointed priest sins so as to bring guilt on the people, then let him offer to the LORD a bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed. Luke 7:46 Verse Concepts "You did not anoint My head with oil, but she anointed My feet with perfume. Psalms 45:7
Verse Concepts You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of joy above Your fellows. Isaiah 1:6 Verse Concepts From the sole of the foot even to the head There is nothing sound in it, Only bruises, welts and raw wounds, Not pressed out or bandaged, Nor softened with oil. 1 John 2:27
Verse Concepts As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him. Psalms 105:15
Verse Concepts "Do not touch My anointed ones, And do My prophets no harm."
1 Kings 19:16 Verse Concepts and Jehu the son of Nimshi you shall anoint king over Israel; and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah you shall anoint as prophet in your place.
Exodus 29:7 Verse Concepts "Then you shall take the anointing oil and pour it on his head and anoint him. 1 Samuel 6:1-6 Now the ark of the LORD had been in the country of the Philistines seven months. And the Philistines called for the priests and the diviners, saying, "What shall we do with the ark of the LORD? Tell us how we shall send it to its place." They said, "If you send away the ark of the God of Israel, do not send it empty; but you shall surely return to Him a guilt offering. Then you will be healed and it will be known to you why His hand is not removed from you." read more. Luke 4:18 Verse Concepts "THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED, Exodus 30:26 Verse Concepts "With it you shall anoint the tent of meeting and the ark of the testimony, Luke 10:34 Verse Concepts and came to him and bandaged up his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them; and he put him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn and took care of him. Exodus 29:29 Verse Concepts "The holy garments of Aaron shall be for his sons after him, that in them they may be anointed and ordained.
Exodus 30:30 Verse Concepts "You shall anoint Aaron and his sons, and consecrate them, that they may minister as priests to Me.
Isaiah 10:27 Verse Concepts So it will be in that day, that his burden will be removed from your shoulders and his yoke from your neck, and the yoke will be broken because of fatness. Acts 18:28 Verse Concepts for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.
Husband is the head of the home as Christ is the head of the church. You' d have to agree with his decisions and prayerfully change the ones you think ain't good enough. Meanwhile those activities a re not as important as the name of Jesus that your husband believes in. So you don't have a problem. Not engaging in those activities would take nothing from your life. Embrace change. The decision is your
Husband is the head of the home as Christ is the head of the church. You' d have to agree with his decisions and prayerfully change the ones you think ain't good enough. Meanwhile those activities a re not as important as the name of Jesus that your husband believes in. So you don't have a problem. Not engaging in those activities would take nothing from your life. Embrace change. The decision is your
My dear let it be. The name of Jesus is the ultimate. But if ur faith carries other things, then u should quit the relationship because u re gonna keep having issues with him in marriage.
My dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
My dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
Heaven on earth greatings to you my sister. Let your Fiance listen to Papa's messages on mantle, anointing and washing of feet. If his faith doesnt change after that? Then id advise to find courage and move on. Unless you love him that much
Why should this even be debated on LIB. This will just generate more controversies. Do you believe in all the mantles, anointing oil etc? Do you consider them substitutes to the name of Jesus or complementary to the use of the name of Jesus? These are deep questions you need to ask yourself to even assure yourself that you are not swayed by church doctrines.
If you have the conviction for the use of all these then I believe you speak to your fiancé about them and reach a compromise.
It should not be a matter to be deliberated on LIB.
Go with him, He is spiritually sound and ready for you. He must be a member of Deeper Life. He could have just kept quiet and force you to change it when he marries you, but he has been sincere with you. Go with him and you wont regret it. You will thank me for this.
My dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
Doesnt he read his bible? and not know that all these are spiritual mediums ordained by God? This is a delicate issue as it isnt only winners that uses anointing oil. i guess u need to pray earnestly before you proceed.Jesus himself did the feetwashing and these things are used in His name.
Hey woman! He is your husband and u must listen to him rather than coming to LIB to look for advice. If he says only the Name of Jesus should be allowed in his house, that is absolutely enough. And l think to a very large extent, he is justified. Don't contradict things.
Find another man that believes in your faith and practices, he might agree today oh, but maybe when u give birth he would tell you that u can't take his kids there.. so therefore u go alone!
im sorry but i have to agree with him..all these churches that introduces idolatry indirectly.. you should connect with God directly and not through any objects..read your bible more and ignore manmade or church doctrines. My dear churches are too deceptive beware..I broke up with a girlfriend who wouldnt change her habit of prayer houses..we all have the power to call on God..Love your man, hes doing the right thing.
I am a Winner member. However, before I became one, I never believed in the anointing oil, mantle, feet washing, communion. I detested them. However, even after joining the church, it took a while before i could get used to all the above listed. Now, your fiancee has a point. Jesus is to be extolled and looked up to, and not those anointed materials we use in Church. Furthermore, if he is born again and ok for you, listen to him and do not use those items in his house - remember that if he is not a Winner member, you are most likely to join him in his own Church after the wedding; I hope you have discussed that with him? Finally, just pray about it and God will someday make him realise how spiritually useful those items could be. Do not keep arguing with him over it. REMEMBER PART OF LAST WEEK'S MESSAGE? WIVES SUBMIT YOURSELVES TO YOUR HUSBAND. But, if you are stubborn enough not to obey your fiancee now, then, break off the engagement and begin to wait till Jesus comes for the perfect man who will obey YOU and your Church's doctrine. Good men are scare ooo. Apply wisdom. Good luck!
It's biblical. Make him understand dat these tins are scriptural. Dey are not modern inventions. There is noting idolish about feet washing,use of mantles or anointing oil.
Can two walk 2geda except they agree? My dear, when u marry, which church would u go? If uve not decided 2 go 2 his church, then ur in 4 a lot. If u decide 2 marry him, get ready 2 accept his church 4 peace 2 reign
babe run for ur life cos d bible believes in those stuffs so which is his on Jesus dt those not allow it. its not only winners dt use dem and be sure to leave winners wen u marry him plus a part of u may never be happy with the kind believes he has abt Christianity.
Nne, biko carry all that mantle of oil αи∂ water abi whatever αи∂ drop asid.... Atleast his reasons weren't vague or obscure, he stated his reasons αи∂ they were very clear.... I wouldn't blame d man cos if u see what's happening in churches today, its quite appalling So d man obviously don't want sm1 bringn any kind of charm or evil in his house in d name of religion. His own method is even best, talk to God urself αи∂ stop using all these holy water or oil or mantle abi whatever to reach him. Wish u d best
Lady, you've got a real christian brother and you're complaining because he won't let you use mantle and anointing oil (btw, I am in support of the fact that those thngs are idols). What is wrong with you??????While women are complaining that their husbands don't want them to go to church or pray, you're complainig about your fiance not allowng you take trash home. If you have been given the priviledge to use the name of Jesus in your home, I wonder what you still need those stuffs for because right now, judging from your epistle, you still think they are more important than the name of Jesus, and that is the exact reason why those things are idols. #Get wisdom
Nne, biko carry all that mantle of oil αи∂ water abi whatever αи∂ drop asid.... Atleast his reasons weren't vague or obscure, he stated his reasons αи∂ they were very clear.... I wouldn't blame d man cos if u see what's happening in churches today, its quite appalling So d man obviously don't want sm1 bringn any kind of charm or evil in his house in d name of religion. His own method is even best, talk to God urself αи∂ stop using all these holy water or oil or mantle abi whatever to reach him. Wish u d best
you better dust your feet and leave this guy. who knows he might not even be a christian as u think and might just be pretending. relax your right husband will show up
Der is notin u can do dan to accept wat ur man is saying. U can't b a member of winners 4ever, u wl v 2 join him in his own church wh means u v no choice dan to obey n do according to him.
Der is notin u can do dan to accept wat ur man is saying. U can't b a member of winners 4ever, u wl v 2 join him in his own church wh means u v no choice dan to obey n do according to him.
Hez your husband and their should be mutual understanding but whereas his belief is different from yours, don't force him to instead keep praying and live a simple life worthy of emulation.
I am with him on that!! I am catholic and I know a little something about forgetting who you pray to, people are not always wrong when they say we 'worship' Mary, cos the way most people carry on will convince you that you do! My point is, in the end what matters is "In Jesus name" Amen. Anything else na jara, cause it is your faith that maketh those things work in the first place! So abe chill!!
Since your husband is truelly a real christian, and can pray to God without invoving any other Gods secretly, just obey him and keep your marraige going peacefully.
when you are married you church with your husband and if you thank you cant give up those things then look for a winner brother. When it comes to spiritual issues i leave you to the revelation of the holy sirit as a child of God.Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
I love this dude. What on earth is goya oil for? We so much attach christians to vien stuff nowadays. Please, he is a proper christian. Christainity does not try to create market for money to make money but for people to be lead to christ.
I don't think thr is no course for alarm here. As for the lady u need to get mature in Christ not been religious, winners practice Christianity not religion. These mysteries are by choice not by force and before its bn ministered to ppl they always teach & show you biblical references. Winners believe in the WORD & passionate about the Kingdom not oil or mantle etc. The answer to ur question was answered last week message about marriage if u r winner pls get it. It is simple as ABC. Man Love ur wife & Wife summit! He has told what he want now as a Christian and if u cant summit to it now and then don't go into it pls, don't assume u are going to change him along the line. Even God respect our choices and ur pastor respect ur choice too. Sis. pls seek understanding dont blame him, he is a child of God not devil he might have seen ppl use these things like an idol.
unfortunately this might be a deal breaker as matters of one"s spiritual life should not be compromised. i am a winner myself and i cannot enumerate the miracles of healing i have experienced by administration of the anointing oil. ur fiance seems a bit too controlling. my fiance is also not a winner and he does not believe in most of our doctrines but he has no problem with me using those things. its definitely a red flag dear.
When the woman with the issue of Blood, touched the hem of Christ's garment, she was made whole.
When Elijah scattered salt over the waters, it became fit for use.
Even the shadows of peter and the apostles caused healing.
These things happened because of faith. When an item, or anything that exists is blessed in the name of God. That item becomes holy and can connect us to God. It is filled with God's power that when used in prayer and rightly, can achieve in purpose. I'm a catholic.
Handkerchiefs, sacramentals, oils and incense are blessed and used for prayers and in faith works for christians. So personally, I see nothing wrong with that
But there is a caveat, if ur husband who God has placed over u says NO! You don't have a choice my sister. He is ur God after God.
in Pastor Myles Munroe words, Dont marry someone that is not on the same spirtual level as you are. Else you are going to have constact disagreement in your marriage. please there are over 6 billion human in the world why kill yourself over one. Beside you cant get any good advice from this forum. Go to your district pastor. Good luck to you.
"Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" King James Version (KJV). Differences in doctrinal convictions and inability to resolve them are 2 of the major causes of marital crisis and divorce, even among Christians. You are not yet married so you are not subject to him in the biblical context below: "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything (Ephesian 5: 22-24).
Notice the word EVERYTHING at the end. If you are not ready to submit to him as your head and the priest of your home, you are not yet ready to marry. I suppose you know the wife is to submit. You will be attending his church too unless they are not biblically sound. You are not yet his wife so now is the time for you to know, discuss, agree on and resolve this matter. Have both of you undergone pre-marital counselling? Are there issues you don't want to talk about and think they will sort themselves out later? "Little foxes" like these tend to spoil the beautiful vine of marital bliss.
Pray about it. Discuss with him and older married Christians. God will show you His will and help you to make the right decision, in Jesus name.
my dear, life is about your choices and its up to you having in mind that if you do pick your doctrine that you are not picking God but a building a church. understand that then you can go on and think about but the guy is not saying anything wrong. the reason for the tearing of the curtains in the temple in the Bible shows that we should not go through anything or anyone to speak to Him
Young lady, are you a CHRISTIAN or a WINNER? which one is more important? U can be a Christian without all those Items/practices. Besides once u marry a man, his faith becomes yours, he becomes the spiritual leader of your home. so his values will prevail. so get ready to drop winners and accept his church and their doctrine. There is no big deal here, provided you are not being asked to serve idols.
God lead you through on dis. Linda take note!
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DeleteMy dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
Shalom!
Wow! Lovely LIB super story...
DeleteMy dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
Shalom!
God lead you through on dis. Linda take note!
ReplyDeleteWow! Lovely LIB super story...
DeleteMy dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
Shalom!
God lead you through on dis. Linda take note!
ReplyDeleteWow! Lovely LIB super story...
DeleteMy dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
Shalom!
Tell your hubby to be,to each his own!!!
ReplyDeleteI wonder what makes some people feel that theirs is the standard way of worship. Until we learn to tolerate one another, their views & believes,there will always be friction
So true @ bonita ....but for peace to reign , settle d probs b4 settling down.
Deletewhen you get married, you will end in his church, so, why are you troubled
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If u actually love Him,then u have to let go..you have to do exactly what he wants..may be with time u can convince him bt just let go for now..
ReplyDeleteI will advice u do wat he wants mai sister if u are sure he is the one u'll marry. Come to fink of it, he is right.
ReplyDeleteI will advice u do wat he wants mai sister if u are sure he is the one u'll marry. Come to fink of it, he is right.
ReplyDeleteConvince him what? He said no oil and mantle in his house. If you want to pray to God, do it directly. Shikena.
ReplyDeleteU r funny n act so unwisely. So LIB is now a forum to solve ur sensitive spiritual matters innit?
ReplyDeleteMadam, do exactly wot ur fiance wants u to do, o
ReplyDeleteDo what he says or marry your fellow church member.
ReplyDeleteGbam!
DeleteIts quite a precarious situation you've found yourself, but its better its coming up now when you both are not married yet.
ReplyDeleteIts left for you to decide, if you feel the sharp divide in religion perception is strong enough to come between you both, the earlier you call it quit the better for you, but if you feel you can bend towards his sentiment and remain with him, its yours to decide.
~BONARIO~says so via NOKIA LUMIA
Broken r/ship is far better than broken marriage... Nice point frm u!
DeleteMy dear, he is your husband as God don ordained man as the head of the home its best for you to reduce it and get a better way to talk to him about it, as long as he does not stop you from worshiping God. To e its not really an issue. Goodluck.
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you answerable to God alone and not your Pastor nor Church. think about that. he said the name of God alone. not the name of church. so i see nothing wrong in what he has said. if you claim you love him so much , you will drop the church doctrine and follow that of God.
ReplyDeleteOnly the name of jesus is allowed.
ReplyDeleteJesus did not instrauct us to do all of these things - we them as a symbol of our religion.
Jesus said i am sending you a helper in the form of the HOLY SPIRIT!
Hello dear.. ur husband is very right, we all serve d same God.. I am a Muslim n anytime I hear any christain pray I do say amen to the prayers.. D only issue I have with Christians is d fact that av this sentiment about each other's church.. around my area, we have 3 different redeem churches?? Why can't a catholic or celestial or redeem go to each other's church.. but in Islam so far u see a mosque u can go in.. it is called a place of worship n so far u r genuinely worship God I don't think the type of church should matter.. using anointing oil or praying on a mantle doesn't make u closer to God, ur spiritual well being is the answer to ur question. If u truly love dis man, I don't tink he has asked for too much.. he didn't tell u to sin against God
ReplyDeleteAssuming I knew u we would B friends u've Said it all. Nice mindset nice answer.
DeleteReligious issues are complex and complicated, it's not My favorite topic. thats the reason i am a liberal Christian, So I really don't know What tell you, aside that you both have to talk and come to an understanding.
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Hmmmmm.....Tough one but....
ReplyDeleteOk
You love him...yes
He loves you...you think so, yes
Is he the will of God for you???
Love is never enough for a marriage to succeed cos it fades off in the end
You know what they say, better to have a broken relationship than a broken marriage
Your fiancé is a "Real Christian. He is right,the name of Jesus is enough. You people do all sorts of things in church and do not stop to think of its implications. U are already serving Idols seeing as you can't do without those things.
ReplyDeleteDon't make dis an issue already, u said in ur own words "if we get married" he hasn't even proposed it's well. Don't make dis an issue if he believes in the name of JESUS live him, other things will follow when u guys get married. Don't allow this affect your marriage. He should know that Anointing breaks the yoke after your marriage.
ReplyDeleteThat vuvuzela P guy
What else do u want 2 knw?
ReplyDeleteIt's either u follow his way or u 4get abt him and look 4 who wil believe in what u belive in
It won't work if u end up marrying him cos it wil get worse.
As simple as ABC
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Use your anointing oil. Keep it in your bag or office. Bring it out only when needed! Even my husband that is Muslim allows me to use anything! I even go to church with the kids! He even brings the anointing oil for me when I need it. Keep praying. -Seun
ReplyDeletei don't usually comment, but your fiance is right.... only the name of Jesus is what a christian should use. you should be glad you have a man who has his foundation sure on Christ and his word
ReplyDeletewould you rather he allowed another name in his house, like satan??? My dear, Jesus is the only name we need!!!
ReplyDeleteUna two need counselling shikena
ReplyDeleteall of you gullible idiots praying in the name of oyedepo, Muoka, Adeboye, Oyakhilome should start praying in the Name of God.. you people have been brainwashed to the extent that all you gullible idiots forgets the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
ReplyDeleteMy fiance said i must wed her in christ Embassy where she worship and i told her that if she cant wed me in Roman catholic where i worship let her forget the marriage.
i will live her as soon as i found another woman.
How can she wed y in your own church, what happens to her parents'church. After all she would still attend your RCM with you for the rest of her life . can't u honour her n parents just for that day.
DeleteSo Winners use mantle and oil and other idol stuffs yet u people will condemn the Catholic Church for calling on mother Mary and the Saints to intercede for them. SMH
ReplyDeletesister once you are married to a Mna you shud all attend his own church. if you do not like his spiritual ways then call it quits.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your fiance. Non of the early church practices as documented in the scriptures, from Acts to Revelation show the use of such tools as means in our communication with God.Be careful lest you lapse into idolatry. Even if there are testimonies of its efficacy and that there are testimonies that it has worked for those who used them, it does not make it right in the sight of God.
ReplyDeleteCan 2 work together except they agree... He does not agree with u, but u agree with him - case close. U have not said u disagree with him: afterall, both of u will attend his church post marriage!
ReplyDeleteU don't have a problem. I don't believe in all those things either. I believe in going down on my knees and telling God my problem. But still if u can't deal, kindly forward ur fiance's number to me. I think both if us will make a perfect couple.
ReplyDeleteBabe, in Nigeria women don't have church till they get married, you have to abide by his rules since he is the head of the house. besides He is a Christian and also believes in God. Mantle or no mantle God is the same everywhere
ReplyDeleteI concur with your fiance. Only the name of Jesus is necessary. Reliance on other "rituals" will set you back.
ReplyDeleteJesus said He is the way the truth and life yea, every church has their own doctrine and what they do, sister are you thinking scriptures? have the scripture described all those as something to believe in? are you really born again or just a bamboozled with the church flow? If the guy is a born again Christian it is the way forward here. the bible reminded us in 1Timothy1:3-7 about any how kind of doctrines. YOU CAN GET MIRACLES WITHOUT THOSE IN YOUR HOME.
ReplyDeletemy dear would you rather he allowed another name in his house, like satan?? you have no issue because even that bible teaches us that JESUS is the way, truth and the life!!!
ReplyDeleteBabe, in Nigeria women don't have church till they get married, you have to abide by his rules since he is the head of the house. besides He is a Christian and also believes in God. Mantle or no mantle God is the same everywhere
ReplyDeleteIs this a problem bikonu? Wait! Tot wen a girl gets married she'll start attending her husband's church. Ya even lucky he's a christian sef. He didn't say u should stop going to church.
ReplyDeletetell him to go and read his bible very well he will see the mystys of all those things that hes saying he dose not want see.but if u love him that way and u are ready to stay marry him,allso rember that onece u enter no going back GOD BLESS U.
ReplyDeleteI believe u are a Christian so permit my christianese. If you are convinced in your heart that he is the man for you then you do not have a problem. The truth is, you are both right but 2 cannot walk together unless they agree. Scripture says the wife should submit to her own husband. The name if Jesus' is all sufficient. You can do without the mantle and oil because the spirit if God does not live in mantles or oils but in people. But you cannot do without the name of Jesus. If you'll marry him, you'll submit to him.
ReplyDeleteWhy not use the bible and convince him about the importance and significance of anointing oil. God directed some prophets in the old testament to anoint some of His chosen in the Holy Book. As for the mantle, i am really not a fan of that. Talk it out with him and make sure u both arrive at a common ground before the wedding. If in the end he is still adamant, then sorry sis, but u have to toll his line. After all its one God we all are serving.
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All these practices were all what Jesus and his disciples did. And as his followers and christ-likes we'll do all that, remember Jesus spat on his hand and mixed with mud to open someone's eyes. All these are just factors of working miracles and not doctrine
ReplyDeleteWhy not use the bible and convince him about the importance and significance of anointing oil. God directed some prophets in the old testament to anoint some of His chosen in the Holy Book. As for the mantle, i am really not a fan of that. Talk it out with him and make sure u both arrive at a common ground before the wedding. If in the end he is still adamant, then sorry sis, but u have to toll his line. After all its one God we all are serving.
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My dear! Where husband worships is where wife and. Children would. Worship! So be prepared to leave d church if u want to be his wife
ReplyDeleteAm afraid his right, most people tend to depend on these things like anointed oil and mantles and forget about the Cross and that the prize for all the reasons your using these things for have been paid for more than 2000 years ago. Wherefore they are regarded as idols cause most people have actually forgotten how to call on the name of the Lord at the time of adversity and will bring out anointed oil forgetting that at the Name of Jesus Christ every knee shall bow..
ReplyDeleteI rarely comment ere but on this one, i am 100% on your mans side of the fence. I have read the bible to the end of it more than once and most things practiced in today's churches are way off this holy book. And he's your husband. If that's what he wants in your home, it will be best you adhere for peace to reign. My 2 cent
ReplyDeleteI think your fiance was making senses which I will tell you to abide to his rules despite the fact he never asked you not to worship God or do your church services except adding other things to worship God which he will not approved. Base on my fact, using all sorts does not guarantee prayers acceptance so, why not worship God directly as he said and have peaceful home.
ReplyDeleteThis is serious my dear infant don't over look it becos "it doesn't matter matters a lot".
ReplyDeleteTry to let him reason with if he still refuse you and ur way of church, my dear it's either you leave your church and it's doctrine and marry him or leave him.
This is serious my dear infant don't over look it becos "it doesn't matter matters a lot".
ReplyDeleteTry to let him reason with if he still refuse you and ur way of church, my dear it's either you leave your church and it's doctrine and marry him or leave him.
You tried your best to convince him.....! Why not get convinced by him instead? What is wrong with today's woman? You should listen to him because he'll be heading that your future home, and will be responsible for decisions! Yes, I said so! Your fiance is obviously the one using his head here. What's olive oil, blah, blah, blah,...? Jesus Christ is your route to getting anything! Forget these business men that bear "pastor", you don't need all these rituals to access God's favours and blessings. These are just some of the schemes your criminal penticostal "pastors" use in manipulating and extorting you. Women are very emotional. All their decisions are fulcrumed on emotion. You're very lucky to have such a fiance, if I were to be the one, you must leave that criminal organisation called Winners Chapel!
ReplyDeleteThat your fiance maybe an occult guy o even Islamic people, witches and wizards now call the name of Jesus without fear o. Occult people can so fear anointing oil and bible. Is he a believer if no then run for your dear life o.
ReplyDeleteThen let it go if U prefer Ur Mariage. Personally I ain't a fan of the Church as well cuz of its owner's strong believe in materialism nd flamboyant life style which in turn sow d seed of desperation in its members.
ReplyDeleteYou tried your best to convince him.....! Why not get convinced by him instead? What is wrong with today's woman? You should listen to him because he'll be heading that your future home, and will be responsible for decisions! Yes, I said so! Your fiance is obviously the one using his head here. What's olive oil, blah, blah, blah,...? Jesus Christ is your route to getting anything! Forget these business men that bear "pastor", you don't need all these rituals to access God's favours and blessings. These are just some of the schemes your criminal penticostal "pastors" use in manipulating and extorting you. Women are very emotional. All their decisions are fulcrumed on emotion. You're very lucky to have such a fiance, if I were to be the one, you must leave that criminal organisation called Winners Chapel!
ReplyDeleteRelationship with conditions is not a good relationship, so be carefull of such.
ReplyDeleteConflicts of belief are very serious conflicts, cause a belief and traditional ways of doing things are difficult to let go.
ReplyDeleteIts also not easy to win over a person from his/her own beliefs into your own, and this is because in a person's eyes their belief is supreme and more especially when it has worked in either alleviating a problem or bringing a soothing relief.
But I do thank God both of you are Christians, so it's going to be a lot easier to reach a compromise. In every relationship and marriage; being in focus here; sacrifice is one of the greatest weapons for peace, if not the greatest. It was Christ's supreme sacrifice that brought the world into the grace and mercy of God. That sacrifice built a lot of broken fences in our relationship with God. Sacrifice destroys ego which is mankind's biggest problem.
Christ sacrificed to show love and bridge the gap in our relationship with God and succeeded. In essence I think we ought to also take a que from Christ, if we want to maintain love within a relationship we must learn to sacrifice like christ did, and when I say sacrifice I mean sacrifice in the way of the Lord. Don't sin in sacrifice.
The sacrifice I'm talking about will work well in your case. Find out what his church is all about and as long as they preach the truth. Switch for the sake of love. And if they don't. Pray! For God's intervention.
Shebi not in his house. Buy your car and out it in your car abi office. Abeg. If oil or mantle will cost you your marriage abeg let them go. As biblical as they are, they're for people to tie their faith to. So you sef build up your faith so u can serve God without the oils or mantles. Magicblackxxl@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteMy dear u hv a sound bible believer cheistian with u ,jesus christ didn't use anything but many ppl was delivered truogh him ,like wise paul ,peter,and the rest of them ,but I'm not condeming ur believe but ur guy is right 100%
ReplyDeleteYour fiance is right. Alot of people tend to idolize those things forgetting the real deal.my dear better shine your eyes.the guy is very right.
ReplyDeletePoster, never marry a man that dont believe in your same line of doctrine/ faith, there will always be problem of agreement, even the bible says: 'not until 2 agrees' it will drain you spiritually. you dont have to come down to his level as per spiritual things just because you want to please a man. it is like telling a Celestial man that u wanna sow your car as shiloh sacrifices he's never gonna understand that.
ReplyDeletehe is certainly going to still ban u from worshiping in Living Faith when u guys are married u bet. my dear take a walk. if he truly wants to spend the rest of his life with u he will be ready to compromise. dont marry a dictator abeg. he is not the only man in niaja.
Buzz off.
ReplyDeletesweetie your fiance isnt wrong about the name of Jesus set above every other thing.I am not condeming you babe,more than any church doctrine what does the bible say,I HAVE GIVEN YOU A NAME ABOVE EVERY OTHER NAME,which is the name of Jesus.Secondly,he has made his stand known to avoid misunderstanding rethink you relationship with him,our faith can cause major kasala in mariage so if he doesnt want it and u want it,you gatz to rethink the whole thing if you are willingly to go thru it.
ReplyDeleteIf she is not desperate for husband she should leave him but I can bet that she will regret it. The man is right,she should adjust to his wish after all is likely she will change to his church when they marry.
DeleteIf your doctrine is not allowed and you cannot bend to his my dear you need to move on, unless you heard God clearly saying you should stay put. Those things can actually be an idol but it depends on how they are used. The name of Jesus supercedes all though.
ReplyDeleteA word is enough for the wise.
sweetie your fiance isnt wrong about the name of Jesus set above every other thing.I am not condeming you babe,more than any church doctrine what does the bible say,I HAVE GIVEN YOU A NAME ABOVE EVERY OTHER NAME,which is the name of Jesus.Secondly,he has made his stand known to avoid misunderstanding rethink you relationship with him,our faith can cause major kasala in mariage so if he doesnt want it and u want it,you gatz to rethink the whole thing if you are willingly to go thru it.
ReplyDeleteObey him even d bible said women shud be submissive to there husband *dats if u wan marry am ooo*
ReplyDeleteis very clear,you fiance didnot say you should stop going to church
ReplyDeletebut he doesnt no believe in the anointing oil and others things,
fine if you believe in Christ and you have faith, and you pray into ordinary
water in your room for any kind of sicknes
and drink it ,it will work because of your own faith
if you have 1000 of mathle without faith it work nothing
Your Husband has a point. Please stick to it to have a peaceful marriage.
ReplyDeleteNot Using annoiting oil won't keep u away from God.
sweetie your fiance isnt wrong about the name of Jesus set above every other thing.I am not condeming you babe,more than any church doctrine what does the bible say,I HAVE GIVEN YOU A NAME ABOVE EVERY OTHER NAME,which is the name of Jesus.Secondly,he has made his stand known to avoid misunderstanding rethink you relationship with him,our faith can cause major kasala in mariage so if he doesnt want it and u want it,you gatz to rethink the whole thing if you are willingly to go thru it.
ReplyDeleteBabe, woman no get church, if he is a born again christian, OTO
ReplyDeletefianceeeeeeeee shit hope you are not fornicating,,,,
ReplyDeleteOnce u r married to him u start going to his church
ReplyDeleteYou never ready for marriage maybe you don see another man.
ReplyDeleteSweetheart, you must be sure you are ready to live with the terms and conditions,because there's no going back..
ReplyDelete''The heat of physical chemistry can overshadow divergent interests. When the fires of passion cool down, issues of your real core values begin to arise. The fundamental truth about human relationships is that we succeed best with those who are similar to us the most.''
ReplyDeleteAm a Living Faith member as well. I won't do 'anything' to compromise my beliefs and Church practice. Not even for the sake of marriage. Mantle, Anointing oil, feet washing service and all of that are all instruments of healing and impartation according to the Bible. There are certain things U need to be sure of before U decide to live with someone for the rest of your life. But in everything in life, your beliefs comes first in any relationship. Otherwise, you either bear or enjoy your marriage. Otherwise, decide to give up your beliefs and live with him or walk away and sustain your belief and system of worship...
My dear,it's Jesus only, Jesus Ever. Let him be all in all you see and not any silly mantle or annointing oil that can't save you. I hope you know husbands are scarce now,you berra be submissive and heed to his instruction to avoid stories that touches the heart.
ReplyDeleteHe is actually right on principle and I think he is a smart guy...this u recognize but don't accept... He may be going about it the wrong way but this is also difficult to tell since we have only your side of the story
ReplyDeleteHe is 100% correct
ReplyDeleteUr fiance and not ur husband so if u r not comfortable with it don't marry him. Dave
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with ur fiance,U won't blame him cos all dis pastors are not trustworthy.Bible already made it clear.We should recognise d name JESUS CHRIST in all situations not some mantle and d rest.and bsides,u should knw now dat when u get married to ur husband,his church bcomes ur church.just start getting used to dat idea.
ReplyDeletePLEASE MY DEAR NOTHING TO THINK ABOUT HERE OOH,AS FAR HIS A CHRISTAIN THATS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.WAS ONCE IN YOUR SHOES,WAS IN WINNERS BEFORE I GOT MARRIED TO A CHRIST EMBASSY MEMBER AND THEY DONT BELIVE IN ALL THAT. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS YOU GUYS SERVE GOD SHIKENA
ReplyDeleteDear it is your ddecision to make....if you truEly love the guy.and you are sure you can sacrifice your faith for the love then you have to make up your mind now before itstoo late.....to aavoid future regrets...best of luck dear
ReplyDeleteHmmm he is the owner of the house, he has said it he has said it. Nd thank God he told u early now before anything like marriage take place. If u know that u can't obey or bear what he told u. U re free to quite the relationship now. Unguanu!!
ReplyDeleteBig this guy
ReplyDeleteYou don't have case
This one serious matter ooooooo
Linda please bring serious topic for us to hear joor
I am a Winner too.. but i'd tell you that peace and harmony at home are more important than any church doctrine.. that comes with certain compromises.. if he doesnt like them, then dont bring them into your home..
ReplyDeleteBoth d anointing and d mantle plus d oga at d top wey dey sell am ALL NA WASH. BE WISE. Which do u value more? From which of them do u derive the most happiness, satisfaction, fulfillment, pleasure?
ReplyDeletei agree to what yur fiance is saying. people tend to forget the creator and then worship the creature. if he is saying only the name of Jesus is permitted, so be it. v yu forgotten dat the name of the lord is a strong tower. moreover, is it not that yu'll be attending yur fiance's church after yu marry him. dnt lose that guy cos of the oda things.
ReplyDeletewell, its not enuf to end ur relationship for. You can use ur mantle and oil without him knowing. hope u also realise and have accepted that he wont allow u attend winners anymore.
ReplyDeleteTragedy! Traffic policeman crushed to death at Mile 2
ReplyDeleteOnce u are married to a man, u are married to his faith.
ReplyDeleteLook here love,
ReplyDeleteIts very simple...
Three things are renowned for destroying marriages: Money, Sex and communication. Let's put religion under the communication umbrella. You both love each other..You are both Christians, you both believe in Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. Having mantles whether they are handkerchiefs or oils or whatever does not add or diminish the power of Christ. The man believes in the Name of Jesus and that is a lot more than many Nigerian men believe in. Please, if your mantles are more important than the name of the one for whom the mantles exist, then your man deserves someone else..finito.
Once u are married to a man, u are married to his faith.
ReplyDeleteYour guy believes in the name of JESUS, that is the ultimate. U dont have a problem at all. Mantle, anointing oil etc are not compulsory for God to answer ur prayers.
ReplyDeleteAs they say that woman has no religion in her man's house, you will av to follow his religion and do as he command. Period.
ReplyDeleteHe doesn't believe in the doctrines of your church does not mean he hates em my dear.The man is the spiritual head of a relationship,while courting and eventually getting merried in the long run.You can't challenge him on issues.The scripture backs itup fully
ReplyDeleteI agree with him.
ReplyDeleteMtcheeew see what doctrinal Christianity is causing! What is mantle and anoiting oil abeg? Where in the bible did you see christ or his apostles establish this things as mediums of communication with him? He says they that believe in their hearts and call upon the name of Jesus shall be save!!! Nigerian Christians and christians in general have so doctrinised Christianity drawing back to the same idolism where we seek physical representation of God's presence in the form of oils, statues, hankerchief etc the very thing Christ came to turn us away from. The veil was turn when he died signifying we now had direct access to God, the simple thing we had to do was to believe in her heart and confess with our mouth ie calling upon the name of Jesus and no matter the situation we are saved...but no the inner pagan selfs in us cannot accept how easy that can be we must look for physical representations like our forefathers in order to be able to believe in the power of God; thats why in Nigeria people keep running from church to church looking for the new best thing n churches keep springing up daily yet the wickedness and decadence in Nigeria is on an all time high! My advice to you sister is to repent of your religious and doctrinal ways, join ur fiance and look for a bible believing church and start worshiping God in spirit and in truth! Remember the bible is the standard by which christians should live their lives and whatever ur pastor is saying no matter how highly placed he is or how much respect you have for him if it's not in the bible then you shouldn't be doing it. You have not been called to serve a pastor or church but Christ and on the day of judgement the bible will be the standard by which you will be judged not the church or doctrines you religiously practised! Better thank God for using your fiance to correct your ignorance and thank God you have such a sound Christian as a future husband!
ReplyDeleteIf you love him, listen to him, he is not asking you to worship amadioha
ReplyDeleteit is well
Hello dear.. ur husband is very right, we all serve d same God.. I am a Muslim n anytime I hear any christain pray I do say amen to the prayers.. D only issue I have with Christians is d fact that av this sentiment about each other's church.. around my area, we have 3 different redeem churches?? Why can't a catholic or celestial or redeem go to each other's church.. but in Islam so far u see a mosque u can go in.. it is called a place of worship n so far u r genuinely worship God I don't think the type of church should matter.. using anointing oil or praying on a mantle doesn't make u closer to God, ur spiritual well being is the answer to ur question. If u truly love dis man, I don't tink he has asked for too much.. he didn't tell u to sin against God
ReplyDeletePlease my dear...we winners believe in those doctrines..and even if we are marry outside of our church,it doesn't mean we should not be allowed to practice what we know is right and is biblical. if he is not ready to accept our church practices, then he should be ready to let u go. As for me, that's what I will do, leave him if he is strongheaded and cannot be convinced. My view s sha.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe in all that crap either or may be when I'm cruising in 4 intercontinental jets and want people to worship me. Pray to ur God and attend his church. Chikena.
ReplyDeleteFortunately your fiance is right
ReplyDeleteI will not include Winners Chapel in my answer because really it has no business with it. It is true that we are are entitled to free belief in whatever religion we choose. But as a Christian and as a woman, We all agree basically on the same Bible and the same God.
ReplyDeleteYou are expected (ideally) to leave your own belief and take up your husband's belief, unless he grants you the privilege of worshipping in your own way. I know Christian women who married muslims and their husbands allowed them continue with Christianity after marriage. I also know women who had to convert to Islam because they married muslim men. I have heard of muslim women who converted their Christian husbands to Islam also. I myself am a Christian. My hubby attended RCCG before we married till the day he attended a service at my Orthodox (Old School) church. Now, we go to my church together because he prefers it. If you love your man, my advice to you is to accept what he wants. You are expected to anyway though times have changed. If you can come to a compromise with him, you can suggest alternating your churches. Finally, speak to a pastor or Man of God about this. I suggest you go to a pastor who is not of either denomination so he isn't biased. I wish you well my dear.
Hello dear, I attend Winners too so I vividly understand your point. But I will like to reply you on a neutral note. Its no news now that 'Belief' is paramount in everything we do. Even God cannot be pleased outside faith. God is not an Author of confusion at this point if you are truly lost and you don't know what to do go to God in prayers and ask Him to take control and lead you into His Will. Let God decides what to do because only Him knows the end from the beginning and only Him knows how He has fashioned you including the plans and purpose He has for you. Marriage is an institution created by God, God doesn't create a thing for it to be destroyed, something as little as these Kingdom mysteries can break a home and I am sure you aren't getting married to have a broken home. Mama and Papa celebrated 33yrs of blissful married life this week this, that should challenge you as a Spiritual daughter. When Mama was on her sick bed some of these Kingdom Mysteries were her Testimony. Go to God for answers.
ReplyDeleteAm a winner. My dear if you have attended WOFBI this will not be a problem. the truth is that if you want to get married to this man and have peace you must do as he said. The good thing is that he is a believer. Don't fight your husband because of church women. If you can't follow him to his church don't marry him.
ReplyDeleteJust the Name Jesus everything its settle.jst forget the anointing oil etc.Its becoming idolatry in the way some pple are using it.
ReplyDeleteMy dear, this matter is delicate but can be handled in the place of prayer. Writing from the point of personal experience, I will suggest that you do not try to force your opinion on this subject on the man especially if you are convinced that God has brought both of you together as a couple. If the hand of the Lord is in this matter, with prayers and patience God will grant him revelation on it. I have had issues with my wife concerning certain doctrines of my church. I chose the path of prayer and without forcing her to accept my views on the subject, God gradually opened her eyes to the truth of what she was against and presently my wife is a strong advocate of those doctrines. there is no limit to what prayers can do, however we must also not lose sight of the fact that these things are tokens of God's power and should not replace God. The power of these tokens actually lie in your faith in God and not the fact that they can "magically or supernaturally" work wonders. Just ask the Lord for revelation. Both of you need it. I hope this helps.
ReplyDeleteSis! U don't have a problem! Once u get married u follow your husband's doctrine. Dats all. Assuming u got married to a muslem man! What would u do? Don't because of dis issue overwork yourself or your relationship, ones Ua married, take your mind of winner. Gaskia
ReplyDeletedid bible not say in the name of Jesus every knee must bow. if you believe in anointing oil, then you will believe in holy water. at the instance of your challenge instead of you to call your saviour, the one that died on the cross for you, you rush for the oil or water. instead of your faith to be in Christ Jesus, it will be in oil and water. dear those thing are idol. he that will serve God must serve him in spirit and in truth. and of course he is the head thank God, he is not against the name Jesus.
ReplyDeleteIf u re ready to marry u listen to him
ReplyDeleteIv actually never been a fan of winners myself. Too many kwanshi added to the christianity matter. And they are too wealth-oriented for my liking. Atleast d sermons iv heard o. Its all about money, success, getting rich, leadership. Im not saying these are bad o but then again isnt rapture more impt than all that. Just saying sha. Oya where are the monkeys who will want to talk shit to me cos i aired my opinion? Im anxiously waiting. Hunnie. u bliv in God, yes? So does ur spouse. So u shudnt v a p worshipping God wherever however cos God is everywhere and its kinda tradition that wen u marry u join ur hubbys church leaving all things 'behind' including ur church and its ways. Its a compromise /sacrifice u v to make. It will b hard but its just smthing u have to do. Or u cud just dump him n go and marry in winners... just kidding luv.
ReplyDeleteMadam, u better listen to your fiancee. i attend winners too but my hubby doesn't. i have had to adjust to spiritual life without feet washing as the rest. So far both call on the name of Jesus. My prayers have been answered without the anointing oil. Think of the bigger picture dear, there is denomination in heaven. Marry your fiance and pray in the name of Jesus.That is all that matters
ReplyDeleteMadam, you have a direct access to God just like you pastors that sold those annointing oil & mantles to you.
ReplyDeleteYour fiance is on point. Those thing eventually turn into some sort of idols as you feel a sense of security having them around you, forgettig that our almighty God is sufficient. You can do away with them and still be fine.
Madam, you have a direct access to God just like you pastors that sold those annointing oil & mantles to you.
ReplyDeleteYour fiance is on point. Those thing eventually turn into some sort of idols as you feel a sense of security having them around you, forgettig that our almighty God is sufficient. You can do away with them and still be fine.
THE earlier u leave him d better 4 u cos if u marry him be ready 2 stop worshipping at winners, so make ur choice now not tomorrow u will send another epistle.
ReplyDeleteMy ex(she) will always tell me that her father taught her that a woman has no place(state) or religion until she gets married.
ReplyDeleteI can also tell you from experience that a home with two religions almost always gets fractured(99.999%).
If you eventually marry your fiancee, you've married his religion and will bring up his/your home on the principles of his religion.
Best of luck and.....Dialogue it with him without being adamant to your cause knowing he has the prerogative.
Cheers
Your man is hundred percent right. Am a winner too ( WOFBI graduate) and I know deep down that it is idolatry and I know the holyspirit ( dat still little voice) has told u d same thing but wat can we do those symbolism just makes u feel God is closer n I kinda like it tho I feel guilty all d time. So sister choose between listening to that still little voice or to satisfy ur own selfish desire or belief
ReplyDeletemy dear, if your fiance hates your church doctrine and you not ok with it,you let go.Marriage is to be happy not to be troubled,but you know what you want in life.Follow your
ReplyDeleteheart.
Please make him understand where you are coming from, all the anointing oil and mantle are used in the name of Jesus and no other names. Thank God he believes in the name.
ReplyDeleteDon't let anything alter your faith in the name of love, like papa will always say, marriage is for a lifetime but wedding is just one day. Elija used the mantle, Samuel anointed David with anointing oil. Sooo. .. look before you leap. Or go for counselling in your church.
ReplyDeleteWhat else do you want to know? He has told you what it will be, it is either you accept it or leave it. Note: You can never change his mind.
ReplyDeleteHmmm. I hope u do realise wen u marry ur boo, u join his church? So the earlier you accept that, the better for you.
ReplyDeleteUr guy is right girl, u don't need any thing apart from d name of Jesus to connect to God.
ReplyDeleteMy dear...same reason why some catholics marry each other...i'm nt prepared to abandon my faith for anybody though. If he is catholic ..perfect, but if he's not, he should allow I and my kids (if they choose) to practice my catholic faith, else he's on his own.
ReplyDeleteSalvation is personal, and I believe everyone should use whatever means necessary to secure their chances of going to heaven. If you feel the Spirit in winners, and you can't get that spiritual in any other church, then I rili dnt knw what to advise you to do...personally i'm done with him if he doesn't allow me to practise my faith.
My dear...same reason why some catholics marry each other...i'm nt prepared to abandon my faith for anybody though. If he is catholic ..perfect, but if he's not, he should allow I and my kids (if they choose) to practice my catholic faith, else he's on his own.
ReplyDeleteSalvation is personal, and I believe everyone should use whatever means necessary to secure their chances of going to heaven. If you feel the Spirit in winners, and you can't get that spiritual in any other church, then I rili dnt knw what to advise you to do...personally i'm done with him if he doesn't allow me to practise my faith.
My dear...same reason why some catholics marry each other...i'm nt prepared to abandon my faith for anybody though. If he is catholic ..perfect, but if he's not, he should allow I and my kids (if they choose) to practice my catholic faith, else he's on his own.
ReplyDeleteSalvation is personal, and I believe everyone should use whatever means necessary to secure their chances of going to heaven. If you feel the Spirit in winners, and you can't get that spiritual in any other church, then I rili dnt knw what to advise you to do...personally i'm done with him if he doesn't allow me to practise my faith.
I pass on this one.
ReplyDeleteSo what do you want people to do for your now, to tell your fiance to accept mantle and anointing oil? Thank God he didnt tell you after marriage. If you know you cannot do without mantle and etc, break the engagement.
ReplyDeleteCan two walk together except they agree? No! It's just like telling a deeper life member or jehovah witness to marry a Catholic..... if they do, one will have to bend to the others will... pentecostal still try to marry catholic without any issue (depends) on individual preferences. Doctrine has caused a lot of havoc in Christianity
ReplyDeleteDear female LIB reader, calling and relying upon the name of Jesus Christ alone and following the WORDS of God strictly is the only way to worship and serve God. Don't ever mix anything with that. Hey, don't lose that unique man!
ReplyDeleteUr man has a valid point. We tend to place more importance on this objects and the men of God than GOD himself. For all intents and purposes, those things are idols.
ReplyDeleteam a winner also,that guy wil b a bully wen u get married.mantles,anointing oils are all part of bible doctrines.treat carefully.take good care
ReplyDeleteThat means you are an idol worshipper if you can't do without those things.
ReplyDeleteGo and marry your type.
Hnmm.. well, show him scriptural backings where those items were used by Jesus for transference of power and performance of miracles, and He has said that greater things than he did shall we do, and we are gods, a little lower than angels etc. If possible take him to your branch pastor for further clarification. He will believe you afterwards. Good luck dear.
ReplyDeleteWhich one is blessed mantle and washing of feet? I have been a Winner for two years and sorry to say, I have never witnessed any of these things u mentioned except the anointing oil service.
ReplyDeleteHe is telling the truth, I don't like idols too
ReplyDeleteRun Away..He is under the oppression of the devil.
ReplyDeletepls don't try to convince without a bible verse
ReplyDeletebelow are bible verse on anointing oil (there are 77 verse in the bible that is on anointing oil but this is just few u can use to convince):
Mark 6:13
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And they were casting out many demons and were anointing with oil many sick people and healing them.
Ruth 3:3
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"Wash yourself therefore, and anoint yourself and put on your best clothes, and go down to the threshing floor; but do not make yourself known to the man until he has finished eating and drinking.
Isaiah 61:1
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The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners;
Leviticus 4:3
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if the anointed priest sins so as to bring guilt on the people, then let him offer to the LORD a bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed.
Luke 7:46
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"You did not anoint My head with oil, but she anointed My feet with perfume.
Psalms 45:7
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You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of joy above Your fellows.
Isaiah 1:6
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From the sole of the foot even to the head There is nothing sound in it, Only bruises, welts and raw wounds, Not pressed out or bandaged, Nor softened with oil.
1 John 2:27
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As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
Psalms 105:15
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"Do not touch My anointed ones, And do My prophets no harm."
1 Kings 19:16
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and Jehu the son of Nimshi you shall anoint king over Israel; and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah you shall anoint as prophet in your place.
Exodus 29:7
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"Then you shall take the anointing oil and pour it on his head and anoint him.
1 Samuel 6:1-6
Now the ark of the LORD had been in the country of the Philistines seven months. And the Philistines called for the priests and the diviners, saying, "What shall we do with the ark of the LORD? Tell us how we shall send it to its place." They said, "If you send away the ark of the God of Israel, do not send it empty; but you shall surely return to Him a guilt offering. Then you will be healed and it will be known to you why His hand is not removed from you." read more.
Luke 4:18
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"THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,
Exodus 30:26
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"With it you shall anoint the tent of meeting and the ark of the testimony,
Luke 10:34
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and came to him and bandaged up his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them; and he put him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn and took care of him.
Exodus 29:29
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"The holy garments of Aaron shall be for his sons after him, that in them they may be anointed and ordained.
Exodus 30:30
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"You shall anoint Aaron and his sons, and consecrate them, that they may minister as priests to Me.
Isaiah 10:27
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So it will be in that day, that his burden will be removed from your shoulders and his yoke from your neck, and the yoke will be broken because of fatness.
Acts 18:28
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for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.
woman is like you don't want your marriage/relationship to last abi?
ReplyDeleteHave you heard of the word compromise before? or the word submissive....
I just peri you when the guy go dump your sorry ass. He said he doesn't want it just let it go.
After all you are not even a better Christian to start with. All these 'holier than thou'.
Better listen to him. All the best
Menh I concor to what the dude said... Serve ur God n leave those crazy pastors ideologies!!! Peace
ReplyDeleteLEAVE HIM, DONT MARRY THAT MAN.
ReplyDeleteHusband is the head of the home as Christ is the head of the church. You' d have to agree with his decisions and prayerfully change the ones you think ain't good enough. Meanwhile those activities a re not as important as the name of Jesus that your husband believes in. So you don't have a problem. Not engaging in those activities would take nothing from your life. Embrace change. The decision is your
ReplyDeleteHmm, this is is serious o.
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Husband is the head of the home as Christ is the head of the church. You' d have to agree with his decisions and prayerfully change the ones you think ain't good enough. Meanwhile those activities a re not as important as the name of Jesus that your husband believes in. So you don't have a problem. Not engaging in those activities would take nothing from your life. Embrace change. The decision is your
ReplyDeleteMy dear let it be. The name of Jesus is the ultimate. But if ur faith carries other things, then u should quit the relationship because u re gonna keep having issues with him in marriage.
ReplyDeleteWow! Lovely LIB super story...
ReplyDeleteMy dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
Shalom!
I believed him too and I can relate with what he is saying,better follow him to his church.
ReplyDeleteWow! Lovely LIB super story...
ReplyDeleteMy dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
Shalom!
Heaven on earth greatings to you my sister. Let your Fiance listen to Papa's messages on mantle, anointing and washing of feet. If his faith doesnt change after that? Then id advise to find courage and move on. Unless you love him that much
ReplyDeleteWhy should this even be debated on LIB. This will just generate more controversies. Do you believe in all the mantles, anointing oil etc? Do you consider them substitutes to the name of Jesus or complementary to the use of the name of Jesus? These are deep questions you need to ask yourself to even assure yourself that you are not swayed by church doctrines.
ReplyDeleteIf you have the conviction for the use of all these then I believe you speak to your fiancé about them and reach a compromise.
It should not be a matter to be deliberated on LIB.
Go with him, He is spiritually sound and ready for you. He must be a member of Deeper Life. He could have just kept quiet and force you to change it when he marries you, but he has been sincere with you. Go with him and you wont regret it. You will thank me for this.
ReplyDeleteWow! Lovely LIB super story...
ReplyDeleteMy dear marriage is abt compromise and coming in btw to meet@d middle point. Give and show him d reason to permit it and avoid arguments dat wil torn both of u apart.
A decision made today can alwaz b change tomorrow and mak sure u commit whtever u want to do in d hands of d Lord.
Shalom!
Doesnt he read his bible? and not know that all these are spiritual mediums ordained by God?
ReplyDeleteThis is a delicate issue as it isnt only winners that uses anointing oil. i guess u need to pray earnestly before you proceed.Jesus himself did the feetwashing and these things are used in His name.
He is your husband to be so the earlier you sort this out,d better and both of u come to a compromise,
ReplyDeleteHey woman! He is your husband and u must listen to him rather than coming to LIB to look for advice. If he says only the Name of Jesus should be allowed in his house, that is absolutely enough. And l think to a very large extent, he is justified. Don't contradict things.
ReplyDeleteHmmmm follow ur heart. Dis one pass me. God ll help u
ReplyDeleteHe is just a difficult person
ReplyDeleteFind another man that believes in your faith and practices, he might agree today oh, but maybe when u give birth he would tell you that u can't take his kids there.. so therefore u go alone!
ReplyDeleteim sorry but i have to agree with him..all these churches that introduces idolatry indirectly.. you should connect with God directly and not through any objects..read your bible more and ignore manmade or church doctrines. My dear churches are too deceptive beware..I broke up with a girlfriend who wouldnt change her habit of prayer houses..we all have the power to call on God..Love your man, hes doing the right thing.
ReplyDeleteI am a Winner member. However, before I became one, I never believed in the anointing oil, mantle, feet washing, communion. I detested them. However, even after joining the church, it took a while before i could get used to all the above listed. Now, your fiancee has a point. Jesus is to be extolled and looked up to, and not those anointed materials we use in Church. Furthermore, if he is born again and ok for you, listen to him and do not use those items in his house - remember that if he is not a Winner member, you are most likely to join him in his own Church after the wedding; I hope you have discussed that with him? Finally, just pray about it and God will someday make him realise how spiritually useful those items could be. Do not keep arguing with him over it. REMEMBER PART OF LAST WEEK'S MESSAGE? WIVES SUBMIT YOURSELVES TO YOUR HUSBAND. But, if you are stubborn enough not to obey your fiancee now, then, break off the engagement and begin to wait till Jesus comes for the perfect man who will obey YOU and your Church's doctrine. Good men are scare ooo. Apply wisdom. Good luck!
ReplyDeleteI fink he is right!
ReplyDeleteIt's biblical. Make him understand dat these tins are scriptural. Dey are not modern inventions. There is noting idolish about feet washing,use of mantles or anointing oil.
ReplyDeleteCan two walk 2geda except they agree? My dear, when u marry, which church would u go? If uve not decided 2 go 2 his church, then ur in 4 a lot. If u decide 2 marry him, get ready 2 accept his church 4 peace 2 reign
ReplyDeletebabe run for ur life cos d bible believes in those stuffs so which is his on Jesus dt those not allow it. its not only winners dt use dem and be sure to leave winners wen u marry him plus a part of u may never be happy with the kind believes he has abt Christianity.
ReplyDeleteNne, biko carry all that mantle of oil αи∂ water abi whatever αи∂ drop asid.... Atleast his reasons weren't vague or obscure, he stated his reasons αи∂ they were very clear....
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't blame d man cos if u see what's happening in churches today, its quite appalling
So d man obviously don't want sm1 bringn any kind of charm or evil in his house in d name of religion.
His own method is even best, talk to God urself αи∂ stop using all these holy water or oil or mantle abi whatever to reach him.
Wish u d best
#it Will only GET better
#IT must END in PrAise
he is a wizard/cultist just pretending and d presence of those things around him will weaken him
ReplyDeleteLady, you've got a real christian brother and you're complaining because he won't let you use mantle and anointing oil (btw, I am in support of the fact that those thngs are idols). What is wrong with you??????While women are complaining that their husbands don't want them to go to church or pray, you're complainig about your fiance not allowng you take trash home. If you have been given the priviledge to use the name of Jesus in your home, I wonder what you still need those stuffs for because right now, judging from your epistle, you still think they are more important than the name of Jesus, and that is the exact reason why those things are idols. #Get wisdom
ReplyDeleteNne, biko carry all that mantle of oil αи∂ water abi whatever αи∂ drop asid.... Atleast his reasons weren't vague or obscure, he stated his reasons αи∂ they were very clear....
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't blame d man cos if u see what's happening in churches today, its quite appalling
So d man obviously don't want sm1 bringn any kind of charm or evil in his house in d name of religion.
His own method is even best, talk to God urself αи∂ stop using all these holy water or oil or mantle abi whatever to reach him.
Wish u d best
#it Will only GET better
#IT must END in PrAise
you better dust your feet and leave this guy. who knows he might not even be a christian as u think and might just be pretending. relax your right husband will show up
ReplyDeleteU don't have problem and don't create one for yourself. Your fiance is right focus on God, forget about all those man made doctrine.
ReplyDeleteU stick to his warning....I for one see such things as idols...Christ is d only way to life and salvation
ReplyDeleteDer is notin u can do dan to accept wat ur man is saying. U can't b a member of winners 4ever, u wl v 2 join him in his own church wh means u v no choice dan to obey n do according to him.
ReplyDeleteDer is notin u can do dan to accept wat ur man is saying. U can't b a member of winners 4ever, u wl v 2 join him in his own church wh means u v no choice dan to obey n do according to him.
ReplyDeleteHez your husband and their should be mutual understanding but whereas his belief is different from yours, don't force him to instead keep praying and live a simple life worthy of emulation.
ReplyDeleteI am with him on that!! I am catholic and I know a little something about forgetting who you pray to, people are not always wrong when they say we 'worship' Mary, cos the way most people carry on will convince you that you do! My point is, in the end what matters is "In Jesus name" Amen. Anything else na jara, cause it is your faith that maketh those things work in the first place! So abe chill!!
ReplyDeleteSince your husband is truelly a real christian, and can pray to God without invoving any other Gods secretly, just obey him and keep your marraige going peacefully.
ReplyDeletewhen you are married you church with your husband and if you thank you cant give up those things then look for a winner brother.
ReplyDeleteWhen it comes to spiritual issues i leave you to the revelation of the holy sirit as a child of God.Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
I love this dude. What on earth is goya oil for? We so much attach christians to vien stuff nowadays. Please, he is a proper christian. Christainity does not try to create market for money to make money but for people to be lead to christ.
ReplyDeleteI don't think thr is no course for alarm here. As for the lady u need to get mature in Christ not been religious, winners practice Christianity not religion. These mysteries are by choice not by force and before its bn ministered to ppl they always teach & show you biblical references. Winners believe in the WORD & passionate about the Kingdom not oil or mantle etc. The answer to ur question was answered last week message about marriage if u r winner pls get it. It is simple as ABC. Man Love ur wife & Wife summit! He has told what he want now as a Christian and if u cant summit to it now and then don't go into it pls, don't assume u are going to change him along the line. Even God respect our choices and ur pastor respect ur choice too. Sis. pls seek understanding dont blame him, he is a child of God not devil he might have seen ppl use these things like an idol.
ReplyDeleteAnother thing is, when a lady gets married, she moves 2her Husband's Church.
ReplyDeleteunfortunately this might be a deal breaker as matters of one"s spiritual life should not be compromised. i am a winner myself and i cannot enumerate the miracles of healing i have experienced by administration of the anointing oil. ur fiance seems a bit too controlling. my fiance is also not a winner and he does not believe in most of our doctrines but he has no problem with me using those things. its definitely a red flag dear.
ReplyDeleteWhen the woman with the issue of Blood, touched the hem of Christ's garment, she was made whole.
ReplyDeleteWhen Elijah scattered salt over the waters, it became fit for use.
Even the shadows of peter and the apostles caused healing.
These things happened because of faith. When an item, or anything that exists is blessed in the name of God. That item becomes holy and can connect us to God. It is filled with God's power that when used in prayer and rightly, can achieve in purpose. I'm a catholic.
Handkerchiefs, sacramentals, oils and incense are blessed and used for prayers and in faith works for christians. So personally, I see nothing wrong with that
But there is a caveat, if ur husband who God has placed over u says NO! You don't have a choice my sister. He is ur God after God.
Let the Holy spirit guide u
Hello my dear just try and abide with the rules and regulation he wants. because that would be the best ways of solving quarreling among you.
ReplyDeleteJust try and abide with his rule and regulation. that will be the best my dear.
ReplyDeletein Pastor Myles Munroe words, Dont marry someone that is not on the same spirtual level as you are. Else you are going to have constact disagreement in your marriage. please there are over 6 billion human in the world why kill yourself over one.
ReplyDeleteBeside you cant get any good advice from this forum. Go to your district pastor. Good luck to you.
I like my freedom of speech.
ReplyDelete"Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" King James Version (KJV). Differences in doctrinal convictions and inability to resolve them are 2 of the major causes of marital crisis and divorce, even among Christians. You are not yet married so you are not subject to him in the biblical context below:
ReplyDelete"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything (Ephesian 5: 22-24).
Notice the word EVERYTHING at the end. If you are not ready to submit to him as your head and the priest of your home, you are not yet ready to marry. I suppose you know the wife is to submit. You will be attending his church too unless they are not biblically sound. You are not yet his wife so now is the time for you to know, discuss, agree on and resolve this matter. Have both of you undergone pre-marital counselling? Are there issues you don't want to talk about and think they will sort themselves out later? "Little foxes" like these tend to spoil the beautiful vine of marital bliss.
Pray about it. Discuss with him and older married Christians. God will show you His will and help you to make the right decision, in Jesus name.
Please sort this out for your own peace of mind.
ReplyDeletemy dear, life is about your choices and its up to you having in mind that if you do pick your doctrine that you are not picking God but a building a church. understand that then you can go on and think about but the guy is not saying anything wrong. the reason for the tearing of the curtains in the temple in the Bible shows that we should not go through anything or anyone to speak to Him
ReplyDeleteAs long as he says the name of Jesus Christ, then you don't have a problem. Because Jesus is the only way not a mantle an anointing oil.
ReplyDeleteI AGREE WITH YOUR HUSBAD....HE IS VERY CORRECT
ReplyDeleteYoung lady, are you a CHRISTIAN or a WINNER? which one is more important? U can be a Christian without all those Items/practices. Besides once u marry a man, his faith becomes yours, he becomes the spiritual leader of your home. so his values will prevail. so get ready to drop winners and accept his church and their doctrine. There is no big deal here, provided you are not being asked to serve idols.
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